Heathrow 3rd Runway.

[surveyor]

It seems that the UK cannot do infrastructure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51658693

[Eric Mc]

Why do you say that?

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

Why do you say that?

The usual PH extrapolation to an absolute from a single datapoint.

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

[Agammemnon]

Government's left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing- who would have expected such a thing?

[p1stonhead]

Government won’t appeal so is that a cheeky way of it being stopped and allowing Boris to sort of keep his ‘ill lay in front of the bulldozers’ promise?

[Sheepshanks]

Sam.M said:

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

So we just have to wait until solar planes arrive.

[Eric Mc]

Or develop another airport.

[anonymous-user]

Sheepshanks said:

Sam.M said:

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

So we just have to wait until solar planes arrive.

Battery powered planes will come, once the kg/kwh of batteries gets low enough. Musk has a design already with regenerative glide charging.

[surveyor]

Sam.M said:

Eric Mc said:

Why do you say that?

The usual PH extrapolation to an absolute from a single datapoint.

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

Work it out genius's.

Some countries can get a hospital built in a week. Our infrastructure projects take a decade or more to get beyond the desk.

There's a balance somewhere - and we are on the extreme side.

[p1stonhead]

Sam.M said:

Sheepshanks said:

Sam.M said:

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

So we just have to wait until solar planes arrive.

Battery powered planes will come, once the kg/kwh of batteries gets low enough. Musk has a design already with regenerative glide charging.

Pretty sure it’s already been demonstrated that based on anything close to what we have now or have knowledge of, they are impossible?

A fundamental change in battery tech would need to come not just a reduction in weight. We don’t have anywhere near to the capacity needed to make it viable.

[anonymous-user]

surveyor said:

Work it out genius's.

Some countries can get a hospital built in a week. Our infrastructure projects take a decade or more to get beyond the desk.

There's a balance somewhere - and we are on the extreme side.

• Geniuses

Yes, China can do that because they're a centrally planned economy where life is cheap and workers are expendable.

If you're advocating for the kind of centralised authoritarian governmental structure that allows for this kind of rapid roughshod production then I'll consider your opinions to be somewhat lacking and pay little attention them going forward.

Of course that's not to say there aren't planning improvements that could be made here, but still.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th February 11:02

[Biker 1]

surveyor said:

Work it out genius's.

Some countries can get a hospital built in a week. Our infrastructure projects take a decade or more to get beyond the desk.

There's a balance somewhere - and we are on the extreme side.

^^This.
I recall it took some 10 years just to get the planning for the waste incinerator at Newhaven, with thousands of objections etc.
Now the plant is up & running, the only emissions that I've ever seen are a little steam coming out in the cold of winter....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/0...

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

Sam.M said:

Sheepshanks said:

Sam.M said:

article said:

But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments.

So we just have to wait until solar planes arrive.

Battery powered planes will come, once the kg/kwh of batteries gets low enough. Musk has a design already with regenerative glide charging.

Pretty sure it’s already been demonstrated that based on anything close to what we have now or have knowledge of, they are impossible due to the weight?

A fundamental change in battery tech would need to come not just a reduction in weight.

Yes, as I pointed out, its about energy density vs weight. As you can cram more energy density into a lighter battery, battery powered planes become possible.

If you do a bit of googling you'll find declining cost and weight curves for batteries as well as increasing energy density.

Tesla is leading the way on this. April brings with it "Battery Day" when Tesla talk about their latest battery innovations, implementing Maxwells dry cell tech is likely to bring with it both increases in energy density and decreases in weight.

We're perhaps 5 years away from batteries both light and powerful enough to be used in planes. Bear in mind most of the energy used is getting airborne, cruise energy is minimal and batteries can be charged through controlled glide.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th February 11:03

[Sheepshanks]

The anti-HS2 people will be studying every details of this.

[Trevatanus]

Ridiculous decision.

It has to go somewhere, why not here?
Local NIMBY's who are happy to take the jobs and high house prices and holiday's though aren't they.

[surveyor]

Sam.M said:

surveyor said:

Work it out genius's.

Some countries can get a hospital built in a week. Our infrastructure projects take a decade or more to get beyond the desk.

There's a balance somewhere - and we are on the extreme side.

• Geniuses

Yes, China can do that because they're a centrally planned economy where life is cheap and workers are expendable.

If you're advocating for the kind of centralised authoritarian governmental structure that allows for this kind of rapid roughshod production then I'll consider your opinions to be somewhat lacking and pay little attention them going forward.

Edited by Sam.M on Thursday 27th February 11:00

I’m advocating balance where unpopular but necessary infrastructure projects actually happen.

China was an example Of what can be done rather than a beacon to follow.

[AAGR]

So, where can I buy shares in Gatwick, which now looks sure to get approval for its second runway .... ?

[Venisonpie]

Gets Boris off the hook nicely. As a West London nimby I'm delighted however I wouldn't think this is the end of it.

[p1stonhead]

AAGR said:

So, where can I buy shares in Gatwick, which now looks sure to get approval for its second runway .... ?

If the government isn’t appealing, surely it means they won’t bother putting one anywhere?

[Reciprocating mass]

Eric Mc said:

Or develop another airport.

Blackbushe develop yateley common hawley woods
As the defence review axe Gibraltar barracks,
Or develop the land between Aldershot fleet and expand farnborough airport tin hat etc
Still you never no lol