Will China be brought to account?

Will China be brought to account?

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Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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A list of the Countries that voted at the U.N in support of the new law(s) in Hong Kong:

China, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahrain, Belarus, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Comoros, Congo-Brazzaville, Cuba, Djibouti,
Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Mauritania, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Papua New Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, UAE, Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Those that opposed:

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Belize, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Germany, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Palau, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.K.

https://www.axios.com/countries-supporting-china-h...

Apart from the usual suspects like Iran, does anyone else see a new, emerging, pattern of the types of countries that voted in favour of China?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Carl_Manchester said:
A list of the Countries that voted at the U.N in support of the new law(s) in Hong Kong:

China, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahrain, Belarus, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Comoros, Congo-Brazzaville, Cuba, Djibouti,
Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Mauritania, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Papua New Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, UAE, Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Those that opposed:

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Belize, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Germany, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Palau, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.K.

https://www.axios.com/countries-supporting-china-h...

Apart from the usual suspects like Iran, does anyone else see a new, emerging, pattern of the types of countries that voted in favour of China?
Exactly this is where Chinese investment is going. These countries all have new roads and bridges, power stations and airport terminals etc built by China. I’m constantly going to less well off countries with work and being impressed by a smooth road or new airport building and when you point it out it’s always the same “China built it” there’s also Chinese buses everywhere also. Usually the Chinese are getting some natural resources in return to power their massive building projects at home also.

It’s the new colonialism, the U.K. gave people trains and administration and cricket the Chinese are just building loads.

anxious_ant

2,626 posts

78 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Coming up next from China... bubonic plague. Is this something we all should start to worry about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-533034...


Narcisus

8,054 posts

279 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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anxious_ant said:
Coming up next from China... bubonic plague. Is this something we all should start to worry about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-533034...
I don’t think so. Can’t be be cured by standard antibiotics ?

Narcisus

8,054 posts

279 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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anonymous said:
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I missed the 'it' smile out !

Condi

17,089 posts

170 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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El stovey said:
Exactly this is where Chinese investment is going. These countries all have new roads and bridges, power stations and airport terminals etc built by China. I’m constantly going to less well off countries with work and being impressed by a smooth road or new airport building and when you point it out it’s always the same “China built it” there’s also Chinese buses everywhere also. Usually the Chinese are getting some natural resources in return to power their massive building projects at home also.

It’s the new colonialism, the U.K. gave people trains and administration and cricket the Chinese are just building loads.
The West has been asleep to this for years, and allowed China to exert huge influence over many lower income countries. The Chinese care less for the how many brown bags get passed around and care less who they're dealing with, and as a result now own billions of dollars worth of debt in return for their investment. If the countries don't, or can't pay, then China will exert their influence further either politically or economically.

Wombat3

11,970 posts

205 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Condi said:
El stovey said:
Exactly this is where Chinese investment is going. These countries all have new roads and bridges, power stations and airport terminals etc built by China. I’m constantly going to less well off countries with work and being impressed by a smooth road or new airport building and when you point it out it’s always the same “China built it” there’s also Chinese buses everywhere also. Usually the Chinese are getting some natural resources in return to power their massive building projects at home also.

It’s the new colonialism, the U.K. gave people trains and administration and cricket the Chinese are just building loads.
The West has been asleep to this for years, and allowed China to exert huge influence over many lower income countries. The Chinese care less for the how many brown bags get passed around and care less who they're dealing with, and as a result now own billions of dollars worth of debt in return for their investment. If the countries don't, or can't pay, then China will exert their influence further either politically or economically.
Or maybe the case that if you owe the bank a million quid & cant pay then you've got a problem, but if you owe the bank 10 billion quid & cant pay it's the bank that has the problem!

A mass default on Chinese debt holdings & Nationalisation/sequestration of Chinese owned assets might slow them down a tad!

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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As I’ve mentioned previously (several times), the CCP govern with a large amount of “consent” from the Chinese people.

They get that by delivering better and better living standards. If that should stop, they will have trouble controlling 1.4Bn people.

If we stop buying Chinese products (even partially), it will have a catastrophic effect on the CCP’s ability to stay in power. They will one day face a day of reckoning. The CCP know this and fear this.

Many successful people in China know this is coming one day and have been offshoring as many assets as possible for some time, even bagging a few foreign passports for their families.

It’s really down to us. Do we really need another cheap BBQ ?

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Exige77 said:
Do we really need another cheap BBQ ?
Pretty sure Weber grills are still made in USA. Anything else is a cheap substitute anyway.

MikeyC

836 posts

226 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Been viewing videos by serpentza and laowhy86, both western blokes who made China their home (learned the language and have chinese wives etc), but have both now fled the country (as an aside, one of their Canadian friends was jailed in tit-for-tat re: Huawei)
(See also SimonYu on YT)

Makes interesting viewing as to the psyche of the chinese people.
The overlying impression is that most people totally believe the CCP (they're incredibly nationalistic) and appear to have little interest in educating themselves, to the point that given un-blocked access to the web, they would mostly ignore it !

For the CCP to lose control, it's going to have to go very badly for them, and TBH, I would think the CCP would more likely resort to military conflict as a diversion (JMHO !)
Apparantly, China claims territory in at least 21 other countries.

As they say, know your enemy ....

fido

16,752 posts

254 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Condi said:
The Chinese care less for the how many brown bags get passed around and care less who they're dealing with, and as a result now own billions of dollars worth of debt in return for their investment. If the countries don't, or can't pay, then China will exert their influence further either politically or economically.
It's ironic that this is kicking off over Hong Kong - it's very existence due to Britain corrupting China entirely with opium purely to extract drug revenues. Of course, the British empire eventually dwindled when it ran out of finances to maintain control. I can see the same thing with China as it's sitting on a growing pile of debt and eventually its citizens find they don't want to support that system anymore.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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The U.S administration has informed the U.N that it will pull out of the W.H.O next year. If this years election is not a success Biden will reverse it on day one.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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fido said:
Condi said:
The Chinese care less for the how many brown bags get passed around and care less who they're dealing with, and as a result now own billions of dollars worth of debt in return for their investment. If the countries don't, or can't pay, then China will exert their influence further either politically or economically.
It's ironic that this is kicking off over Hong Kong - it's very existence due to Britain corrupting China entirely with opium purely to extract drug revenues. Of course, the British empire eventually dwindled when it ran out of finances to maintain control. I can see the same thing with China as it's sitting on a growing pile of debt and eventually its citizens find they don't want to support that system anymore.
Most Chinese are proud of China but not necessarily proud of CCP. They tolerate CCP as they have done very well from it.

CCP has been promoting Chineseness as a tool to get the masses behind them. The “Motherland” is under attack and we need to stick together to see off the “foreigners”.

The Chinese are not stupid. What they say in public is very different to what they say and believe in private. They know everything is monitored so are very careful.

There are of course a few nut jobs there like everywhere.

Edited by Exige77 on Wednesday 8th July 10:13

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Digga said:
Pretty sure Weber grills are still made in USA. Anything else is a cheap substitute anyway.
My weber lasted less than 2 years before it started rusting and all the paint peeling off it. I 'restored' it and it still looks ok 5 years later. Pretty st quality from the factory; not impressed, certainly not worth the money.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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fblm said:
Digga said:
Pretty sure Weber grills are still made in USA. Anything else is a cheap substitute anyway.
My weber lasted less than 2 years before it started rusting and all the paint peeling off it. I 'restored' it and it still looks ok 5 years later. Pretty st quality from the factory; not impressed, certainly not worth the money.
What colour Hammerite did you use? hehe

IMHO it's hard to get a really weatherproof paint/powdercoat on thin gauge steel that exposed to that sort of heat. Tend to keep mine covered when not in use.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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I bet Chinese I intelligence are pi$$ing themselves reading this.

The report will read “the U.K. anti China movement is gathering pace and they are going to target our BBQ business first but I think we’ll be OK as they’re to busy fighting about whether Webber’s are OK or not and how best to coat thin steel at home. We can move ahead with the fake AGAs now smile

As you were comrades”.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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The W.H.O have sent a two person team to China, to find the animal source of the pandemic. Source: Telegraph.



Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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There is also an 11 minute video statement from a Chinese lab scientist who has fled to the U.S. It is a fox exclusive, there is no talking head or interviewer on it, just the woman talking in english and some additional text.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-c...

This scientist put the date of when the internal Chinese scientists were actively working on the first outbreak in Wuhan at 31st December, doing a walk back from there the earliest clusters must have been sometime in November.


anxious_ant

2,626 posts

78 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Carl_Manchester said:
There is also an 11 minute video statement from a Chinese lab scientist who has fled to the U.S. It is a fox exclusive, there is no talking head or interviewer on it, just the woman talking in english and some additional text.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-c...

This scientist put the date of when the internal Chinese scientists were actively working on the first outbreak in Wuhan at 31st December, doing a walk back from there the earliest clusters must have been sometime in November.
Fox News... but still interesting development. I wonder what CCP response to this is.
I wouldn't want to be her family in mainland China though, if she has one...

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Carl_Manchester said:
The W.H.O have sent a two person team to China, to find the animal source of the pandemic. Source: Telegraph.
What good is that going to do now? confused