Will China be brought to account?

[CallThatMusic]

So the Spanish found evidence of Covid 19 in water samples taken from the supply in March 2019.
Let’s hold Spain to account.

[anonymous-user]

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

Hiding behind US sanctions as a reason is pathetic.

[PRTVR]

CallThatMusic said:

So the Spanish found evidence of Covid 19 in water samples taken from the supply in March 2019.
Let’s hold Spain to account.

The same as Italy they use Chinese workers in the leather trade, apparently from Wuhan, but it's just a coincidence.......

[TheDrBrian]

CallThatMusic said:

So the Spanish found evidence of Covid 19 in water samples taken from the supply in March 2019.
Let’s hold Spain to account.

But not in the months after. Contaminated sample

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

jsf said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

Hiding behind US sanctions as a reason is pathetic.

It’s pretty meaningless when you think about it. All Huawei kit removed by 2027...7 years is pushing it for tech these days, so most of it will be due and upgrade by then anyway.

[gruffalo]

768 said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

My favourite thing about all this is Dowden pronouncing Huawei as who-are-we. Genius messaging.

That is the correct pronunciation.

[GroundZero]

Fundoreen said:

Amazing the amount of money that has been handed to people in authority over the years to talk china up.

On that particular point the Mail ran a story just recently about how the communists infiltrate those in authority and decision making power in the UK.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483249/I...

Few days later a pro Beijing group are suing the release of the claims:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8472973/P...

[anonymous-user]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

jsf said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

Hiding behind US sanctions as a reason is pathetic.

It’s pretty meaningless when you think about it. All Huawei kit removed by 2027...7 years is pushing it for tech these days, so most of it will be due and upgrade by then anyway.

It's extremely meaningful, no new kit can be purchased from them from this December. They are also banning them from high speed fibre from 2022. That will drive the market to produce equipment and future investment away from Chinese tech.

We are heading for a new cold war based around tech, with UK and USA on one side, China and the emerging states on the other, with the EU trying to play piggy in the middle.

[vaud]

jsf said:

It's extremely meaningful, no new kit can be purchased from them from this December. They are also banning them from high speed fibre from 2022. That will drive the market to produce equipment and future investment away from Chinese tech.

We are heading for a new cold war based around tech, with UK and USA on one side, China and the emerging states on the other, with the EU trying to play piggy in the middle.

EU won't be able to; US will use threats of sanctions/technology restrictions unless they play ball.

Some US law will be enacted preventing Microsoft/AWS/Google from selling to any country that uses China kit in their 5g / new deployments, etc.

[anonymous-user]

vaud said:

EU won't be able to; US will use threats of sanctions/technology restrictions unless they play ball.

Some US law will be enacted preventing Microsoft/AWS/Google from selling to any country that uses China kit in their 5g / new deployments, etc.

That's why i said trying, they are in a bad place as they don't want to ps off the Chinese, exports for the industrial north with be hit hard if China reacts.

UK would be forced to end any intelligence sharing with EU if the USA insist on this and EU continues to use China tech.

[jamoor]

jsf said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

jsf said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

Hiding behind US sanctions as a reason is pathetic.

It’s pretty meaningless when you think about it. All Huawei kit removed by 2027...7 years is pushing it for tech these days, so most of it will be due and upgrade by then anyway.

It's extremely meaningful, no new kit can be purchased from them from this December. They are also banning them from high speed fibre from 2022. That will drive the market to produce equipment and future investment away from Chinese tech.

We are heading for a new cold war based around tech, with UK and USA on one side, China and the emerging states on the other, with the EU trying to play piggy in the middle.

For sure China will push (and possibly succeed) to become independent of any USA technology in just about anything.


IMO the consumer will either win or lose in this scenario. Win as there will be more competition - possible multiple platforms - not just android or ios.
Lost as we have lost major collaborations in tech and probably will lose more in the future.

[anonymous-user]

jamoor said:

For sure China will push (and possibly succeed) to become independent of any USA technology in just about anything.


IMO the consumer will either win or lose in this scenario. Win as there will be more competition - possible multiple platforms - not just android or ios.
Lost as we have lost major collaborations in tech and probably will lose more in the future.

It's going to be a bugger not being able to steal Chinese IP. err, that's the wrong way round inst it.

USA and UK moved far too late on this, the Chinese now have all the IP they need from the West at zero cost.

[cuprabob]

jamoor said:

IMO the consumer will either win or lose in this scenario.

You're certainly not going to be wrong with that prediction

[3454.5]

Security of the State and then its citizens is the major responsibility of government.
Seems to me that succesive governments have forgotten that, it might be described as verging on treason.
Which is why we find ourselves in the mire now confronting us.

[jamoor]

3454.5 said:

Security of the State and then its citizens is the major responsibility of government.
Seems to me that succesive governments have forgotten that, it might be described as verging on treason.
Which is why we find ourselves in the mire now confronting us.

If these networks etc are so important it should be the state that’s in charge of them.

Openreach should be state owned, much like the roads are.

[lemmingjames]

jsf said:

vaud said:

EU won't be able to; US will use threats of sanctions/technology restrictions unless they play ball.

Some US law will be enacted preventing Microsoft/AWS/Google from selling to any country that uses China kit in their 5g / new deployments, etc.

That's why i said trying, they are in a bad place as they don't want to ps off the Chinese, exports for the industrial north with be hit hard if China reacts.

UK would be forced to end any intelligence sharing with EU if the USA insist on this and EU continues to use China tech.

I dont know, Trump st canned a telecommunication project for a major Western provider in Iran when he said that if any company deals with Iran, then they arent able to deal in the USA.

Having won the project, said company pulled out and Huawei won it by default.

If Trump isnt in after November (?) then it might be a different kettle of fish but i wouldnt underestimate Trumps USA

[scrw.]

How much Huawei kit is still in the 4g network? Given that is the carrier for ESN I would have thought that would be the first place to clear them out.

[768]

gruffalo said:

768 said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The U.K has issued a statement regarding Huawei.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-to-be-re...

My favourite thing about all this is Dowden pronouncing Huawei as who-are-we. Genius messaging.

That is the correct pronunciation.

Tell that to this guy.

[Not-The-Messiah]

jsf said:

jamoor said:

For sure China will push (and possibly succeed) to become independent of any USA technology in just about anything.


IMO the consumer will either win or lose in this scenario. Win as there will be more competition - possible multiple platforms - not just android or ios.
Lost as we have lost major collaborations in tech and probably will lose more in the future.

It's going to be a bugger not being able to steal Chinese IP. err, that's the wrong way round inst it.

USA and UK moved far too late on this, the Chinese now have all the IP they need from the West at zero cost.

Zero cost? more like we paid them.

[anonymous-user]

jamoor said:

For sure China will push (and possibly succeed) to become independent of any USA technology in just about anything.
....

And just steal/copy any tech they want. Frighteningly they seem to have the advantage in AI effectively owning outright every byte of data of a billion people...