Lockdown Imminent

[BrabusMog]

How is the pub going to work with face masks? Or restaurants? fking ridiculous.

[anonymous-user]

BrabusMog said:

How is the pub going to work with face masks? Or restaurants? fking ridiculous.

Masks are not required where you put stuff in your mouth, and are sitting in one place.

[BrabusMog]

sambucket said:

BrabusMog said:

How is the pub going to work with face masks? Or restaurants? fking ridiculous.

Masks are not required where you put stuff in your mouth, and are sitting in one place.

So when I get up and walk to the toilet and walk past people like I would in a supermarket, I don't need a mask in the pub but I do in the supermarket? If all scientists agreed on it, or it had been insisted upon since the original lockdown, I'd take it seriously. At the moment, not so much...

[anonymous-user]

BrabusMog said:

So when I get up and walk to the toilet and walk past people like I would in a supermarket, I don't need a mask in the pub but I do in the supermarket? If all scientists agreed on it, or it had been insisted upon since the original lockdown, I'd take it seriously. At the moment, not so much...

it's not a binary measure. You don't abdondon the whole thing because you found a loop hole.

If only half of indoor spaces are 'masked' that has an impact on spread.

[BrabusMog]

sambucket said:

BrabusMog said:

So when I get up and walk to the toilet and walk past people like I would in a supermarket, I don't need a mask in the pub but I do in the supermarket? If all scientists agreed on it, or it had been insisted upon since the original lockdown, I'd take it seriously. At the moment, not so much...

it's not a binary measure. You don't abdondon the whole thing because you found a loop hole.

If only half of indoor spaces are 'masked' that has an impact on spread.

I haven't found a loophole. I am just questioning the logic behind the potential introduction of mandatory mask wearing months in to this thing, why wasn't it done from the start? And why should it now possibly apply to some businesses, but not others? I find it ridiculous and I don't like how rudderless the UK government appear, it's beginning to look embarrassing.

[PositronicRay]

sambucket said:

BrabusMog said:

So when I get up and walk to the toilet and walk past people like I would in a supermarket, I don't need a mask in the pub but I do in the supermarket? If all scientists agreed on it, or it had been insisted upon since the original lockdown, I'd take it seriously. At the moment, not so much...

it's not a binary measure. You don't abdondon the whole thing because you found a loop hole.

If only half of indoor spaces are 'masked' that has an impact on spread.

Damn you with your reasoned and joined up thought process.

[isaldiri]

BrabusMog said:

I find it ridiculous and I don't like how rudderless the UK government appear, it's beginning to look embarrassing.

You can't seriously just be starting to think it's embarrasing only now........

[BrabusMog]

isaldiri said:

BrabusMog said:

I find it ridiculous and I don't like how rudderless the UK government appear, it's beginning to look embarrassing.

You can't seriously just be starting to think it's embarrasing only now........

It's looked bad for a long time, now it has crossed over to embarrassment for me

[Elysium]

tighnamara said:

Some would think they are being asked to pour boiling water over themselves or stab their hands, FFS it’s wearing a mask.

Granted it’s not ideal but is it really that big of a deal to wear a mask for the short period you are in a shop.
No one wants this to continue longer than required, but surely with everyone trying to do their bit in what is an unknown it will help us all get out the other side quicker.

We have just destroyed our economy over a virus that has killed less people this year than the 5 year average for inflenza and pneumonia.

Having put up with 4 months of pointless lockdown, which has demonstrated zero benefits, people now want to make the situation worse by forcing everyone to wear stupid heath robinson masks in shops.

It is the straw that broke the camels back.

[chrispmartha]

Elysium said:

tighnamara said:

Some would think they are being asked to pour boiling water over themselves or stab their hands, FFS it’s wearing a mask.

Granted it’s not ideal but is it really that big of a deal to wear a mask for the short period you are in a shop.
No one wants this to continue longer than required, but surely with everyone trying to do their bit in what is an unknown it will help us all get out the other side quicker.

We have just destroyed our economy over a virus that has killed less people this year than the 5 year average for inflenza and pneumonia.

Having put up with 4 months of pointless lockdown, which has demonstrated zero benefits, people now want to make the situation worse by forcing everyone to wear stupid heath robinson masks in shops.

It is the straw that broke the camels back.

How are you quantifying zero benefits? How do you know what would have happened without the lockdown?

Saying not many people have died so lockdown was pointless is a bit of a daft statement surely?

[Elysium]

chrispmartha said:

Elysium said:

tighnamara said:

Some would think they are being asked to pour boiling water over themselves or stab their hands, FFS it’s wearing a mask.

Granted it’s not ideal but is it really that big of a deal to wear a mask for the short period you are in a shop.
No one wants this to continue longer than required, but surely with everyone trying to do their bit in what is an unknown it will help us all get out the other side quicker.

We have just destroyed our economy over a virus that has killed less people this year than the 5 year average for inflenza and pneumonia.

Having put up with 4 months of pointless lockdown, which has demonstrated zero benefits, people now want to make the situation worse by forcing everyone to wear stupid heath robinson masks in shops.

It is the straw that broke the camels back.

How are you quantifying zero benefits? How do you know what would have happened without the lockdown?

Saying not many people have died so lockdown was pointless is a bit of a daft statement surely?

At this point we do not have clear evidence that lockdown saved lives or that it even had a material impact on the transmission of the virus. That is a difficult concept for some people to grasp as, intuitively, we would expect it to have had an effect.

Some points to consider:

1. National scale lockdowns are not a proven, tried and tested response to epidemics. They are unprecedented measures. Never attempted before and not previously recommended by epidemiologists.

2. Sweden have managed the virus in their country with basic epidemiologically proven measures to reduce transmission, but no legal lockdown and no mandatory use of masks. The result is a death toll 12 times lower than Imperial College suggested would be likely at the start of the outbreak and an epidemic curve that looks uncannily similar the UKs:



3. Deaths peaked in the UK on the 8th April 2020. Just two weeks after the imposition of the lockdown. Since the average timescale from infection to death is thought to be closer to 3 weeks, this implies that transmission was slowing before lockdown. A review of the growth rate in fatalities (fatalities one day divided by fatalities on the previous day) shows that growth was reducing prior to lockdown, that lockdown did not appear to influence the rate of change and even more surprisingly that Sweden, with no lockdown, saw an almost identical effect:



In summary, lockdown was an experiment, there is little evidence that it was successful and some data to suggest that it may have had a very limited impact.

In that context, as we start to claw our way out of the economic and social disaster we have created for ourselves, the further imposition of mandatory masks is, for me at least, the final straw.

Edited by Elysium on Monday 13th July 17:48

[nonsequitur]

What's the betting that most of the NO ! NO ! NEVER ! (Will I wear a mask), meekly comply when face coverings are made mandatory in enclosed spaces.

NO. >>>>>......

[So]

In other news, Wetherspoons have reduced the price of a pint and cost of meals.

[Saweep]

nonsequitur said:

What's the betting that most of the NO ! NO ! NEVER ! (Will I wear a mask), meekly comply when face coverings are made mandatory in enclosed spaces.

NO. >>>>>......

Doing something under protest is a world away from gleefully jumping to every govt diktat

[PositronicRay]

So said:

In other news, Wetherspoons have reduced the price of a pint and cost of meals.

That seems odd to me, if one's not visiting due to fear of virus, would 10p off a pint convince one its a good idea?

[GSE]

dandarez said:

I thought to myself, fk that!
If that's what is to come, I'm glad I'm old.
Japan has culturally for many reasons worn masks since the 1950s. We haven't. Thank god!

One, as we were discussing this at the weekend (wearing muzzles) a mate reminded me if masks had been a thing back in the day, I'd have never have met my wife. He was right. How the fk would I know what she looked like apart from her figure and say her hair and eyes?
Ok, I may have met her, but my plan (in honesty not my plan, a mate suggested it) to get her to speak to me would not have been possible - I shaved my beard off! The night in question I did so, it got her to ask 'Where's your beard gone?'
Bingo! Never stopped chatting all evening. Still together 46 yrs later.

Just imagine the future? 'She's nice, look at those fantastic eyes! Wonder what her face looks like?'
'Fancy him, wonder what he really looks like?'
Muzzles? You can wear 'em. Just don't force me to.

Locally someone (no pic - pity!!) spotted a guy wearing a t-shirt as he was going into Sainsbury's which proclaimed:
I DON'T WEAR A MASK.
I DON'T MIND IF YOU DO.

on the back it read
I DON'T WEAR A TAG EITHER.
I'M NOT A PRISONER!

Sums it up nicely for me. Where can I get this t-shirt?

Life if full of risks - always has been. Assess them and realise life is for living, not worrying. Worry can make you ill.

As said, you wear one, I've no problem with that. DON'T force me to.
The High Street is in enough trouble, forced mask wearing will finish it.

Still, it'll add a bit more to the one thing that is rife today:
Division.

Totally agree. Next dating sites will be banning photos of members not wearing a mask, must educate the public on staying safe.

I don't know why that clown Boris doesn't issue a blanket order to shut all shops with immediate effect, permanently. It's no biggie you can do everything online now. Shop front windows could be plastered over with pictures of pretty landscapes, and Pubs could be turned into museums. High streets could be re-purposed as .... pedestrian walking zones? ...with f all to see or do.

At the point of almost past caring now. Like someone else said. might as well sit back and watch it burn.

[snuffy]

PositronicRay said:

So said:

In other news, Wetherspoons have reduced the price of a pint and cost of meals.

That seems odd to me, if one's not visiting due to fear of virus, would 10p off a pint convince one its a good idea?

The Government thinks it will. See £10 of a meal and a VAT cut on food and drink.

[GSE]

tighnamara said:

Granted it’s not ideal but is it really that big of a deal to wear a mask for the short period you are in a shop

The danger is that they will extend it to when walking in busy streets, when you are out jogging or cycling, and to Pubs and Restaurants. To cover all possibilities might as well make mask wearing mandatory as soon as you step outside your front door.

tighnamara said:

No one wants this to continue longer than required, but surely with everyone trying to do their bit in what is an unknown it will help us all get out the other side quicker

The problem is these things stick and the 'other side' will be worse than it is now.

[snuffy]

GSE said:

The danger is that they will extend it to when walking in busy streets, when you are out jogging or cycling, and to Pubs and Restaurants. To cover all possibilities might as well make mask wearing mandatory as soon as you step outside your front door.

It started out that no masks were required (at the peak of infections).

Then you have to wear them on public transport.

Now it's shops (or it very soon will be).

What's next ? Any public space ? Indoors or outdoors ? Just walking up the road ?

And I can certainly see it becoming permanent. It will not be temporary as I think many are assuming.

[anonymous-user]

GSE said:

Totally agree. Next dating sites will be banning photos of members not wearing a mask, must educate the public on staying safe.

I don't know why that clown Boris doesn't issue a blanket order to shut all shops with immediate effect, permanently. It's no biggie you can do everything online now. Shop front windows could be plastered over with pictures of pretty landscapes, and Pubs could be turned into museums. High streets could be re-purposed as .... pedestrian walking zones? ...with f all to see or do.

At the point of almost past caring now. Like someone else said. might as well sit back and watch it burn.

I’m getting to this point now.

Just give the screaming media generation what they’ve asked for.

Ban shopping (food delivered by amazon or similar), close all retail and leisure.
Ban leaving home for any reason.
Everyone must work from home
Create non jobs for those whose businesses fold as a result.
Stop all other medical procedures and repurpose hospitals for covid only treatment even if they stay empty for years.

We can then simply wait for death from other causes and expire with a smile knowing at least it wasn’t covid.