Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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I think some people have been watching too much Law & Order.
This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
Tuna said:
Derek Smith said:
There’s a certain suspicion that Starmer was waiting for this to make his big entrance.
Every time Starmer sits on his hands and does nothing for slightly too long, someone always pipes up claiming he was "waiting for the perfect time".A full year after taking leadership of the party, throughout which there have been constant complaints of inaction and denial, he has decided that the "perfect time" to actually do something is not after accusations of law breaking, but after the person he actively defended made his position untenable by refusing to show contrition.
That's not the perfect time. That's not even 24 hours after the perfect time. It's a year after the perfect time.
Stop projecting - he's not thinking clever thoughts, he's sat on his arse trying to avoid making any decisions that someone could find fault with.
Yes, there is a huge problem with anti-semitism within the party but had Starmer suspended Corbyn before the official report, he’d be accused of acting preemptively and without proven evidence and may even scare off some of the more moderate members who have some sympathy with Corbyn and end up weakening his own position within the party.
By waiting for the independent official report into anti-semitism which was damning of the leadership office, he has the perfect opportunity to step up and try and draw a line under it knowing that Corbyn will claim it’s all a conspiracy and end up digging his own grave which he duly did almost straight away thus giving Starmer the moral high ground in giving Corbyn the elbow.
The Tories will make hay with this and give Starmer a hard time as you’d expect but the election is a long way away and Starmer will apologise and promise to implement all the recommendations from the report to the letter.
I’m not hearing much outrage from the more loony Corbynite MPs like Burgon and Co but it’s early days yet and I’m sure we’ll see a few break ranks over the next few days. Be interesting to see if Starmer just ignores it or stomps on them.
Edited by valiant on Thursday 29th October 21:43
Tuna said:
I think some people have been watching too much Law & Order.
This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
Doesn't matter. The 14 others were nobodies or fringe players until Corbyn became leader. With him gone they are effectively dismissed. The report just confirms it.This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
Evercross said:
Tuna said:
I think some people have been watching too much Law & Order.
This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
Doesn't matter. The 14 others were nobodies or fringe players until Corbyn became leader. With him gone they are effectively dismissed. The report just confirms it.This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
jakesmith said:
Evercross said:
Tuna said:
I think some people have been watching too much Law & Order.
This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
Doesn't matter. The 14 others were nobodies or fringe players until Corbyn became leader. With him gone they are effectively dismissed. The report just confirms it.This isn't just Corbyn "falling for a trap". Fourteen other MPs have been directly accused, and the report makes clear this is a problem for the wider party.
Is Starmer now going to wait for them to fall for his clever trick before he does anything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0paAee8HM
If this had been Starmer he might have some grounds for some respect, but he was nowhere to be seen on these issues.
IMO he's never going to be able to shed the fact that just 10 months before he has knifed Corbyn he was standing squarely behind him telling us the man should be Prime Minister & generally espousing the lunatic manifesto of December 2019.
He plainly wouldn't know a principle if it smacked him round the head.
If this had been Starmer he might have some grounds for some respect, but he was nowhere to be seen on these issues.
IMO he's never going to be able to shed the fact that just 10 months before he has knifed Corbyn he was standing squarely behind him telling us the man should be Prime Minister & generally espousing the lunatic manifesto of December 2019.
He plainly wouldn't know a principle if it smacked him round the head.
Tuna said:
The Campaign Against Antisemitism - the group that originally took the complaints to the EHCR have submitted a list of MPs who they believe contributed to the problem:
Crikey.- Diane Abbott
- Tahir Ali
- Mike Amesbury
- Apsana Begum
- Richard Burgon
- Barry Gardiner
- Kate Hollern
- Afzal Khan
- Rebecca Long Bailey
- Angela Rayner
- Steve Reed
- Lloyd Russell-Moyle
- Barry Sheerman
- Zarah Sultana
If he chooses to pull hard on that flush they may be close to being electable...
Murph7355 said:
Crikey.
If he chooses to pull hard on that flush they may be close to being electable...
Eventually, it's undoubtedly the right move to rid themselves of that lot. They're in danger of flushing away their very active support base though. The middle ground is the only palatable ground but the competition is stronger.If he chooses to pull hard on that flush they may be close to being electable...
Wombat3 said:
What a f
king bellend Bercow is.Who is that ancient harpy behind Ian in that video?
jakesmith said:
Wombat3 said:
He plainly wouldn't know a principle if it smacked him round the head.
You’re expecting too much. Who was the last PM who had principles. How do you think you get the job in the first place. Seldom have we seen someone do such a Volte Face such as Starmer has in relation to his predecessor & where he stood prior to election.
Boris was quite clear in his opposition to what May was doing, fair enough whether you agreed with him or not.
May took over from Cameron, after he quit of his own accord but before that had been in his cabinet & on side
Brown took over from Blair but he didn't force him out or ever speak out against him.
Same for Major after Thatcher etc etc
Starmer was in the Shadow cabinet right till the end of Corbyn. If he'd had even a scintilla of a problem with what was going on & any principles at all he should have resigned to the back benches till Corbyn was gone. Instead of which he was espousing Corbyn's virtues right up till polling day.
The man is a two faced t
t.Bell [cartoonist for the Graunad] has illustrated the current travails of the Labour party with an, er, interesting cartoon of Salome [Starmer/Gallahad] presenting the decapitated head of St John the Baptist [Corbyn] to King Herod [despotic king of Judea].
There's about three levels of wrong here, 10/10 for wit and provocation, but about minus several million for taste.
There's about three levels of wrong here, 10/10 for wit and provocation, but about minus several million for taste.
Wombat3 said:
Well, straight answer, probably Boris's predecessor, not that it did her much good.
Seldom have we seen someone do such a Volte Face such as Starmer has in relation to his predecessor & where he stood prior to election.
Boris was quite clear in his opposition to what May was doing, fair enough whether you agreed with him or not.
May took over from Cameron, after he quit of his own accord but before that had been in his cabinet & on side
Brown took over from Blair but he didn't force him out or ever speak out against him.
Same for Major after Thatcher etc etc
Starmer was in the Shadow cabinet right till the end of Corbyn. If he'd had even a scintilla of a problem with what was going on & any principles at all he should have resigned to the back benches till Corbyn was gone. Instead of which he was espousing Corbyn's virtues right up till polling day.
The man is a two faced tt.
YesSeldom have we seen someone do such a Volte Face such as Starmer has in relation to his predecessor & where he stood prior to election.
Boris was quite clear in his opposition to what May was doing, fair enough whether you agreed with him or not.
May took over from Cameron, after he quit of his own accord but before that had been in his cabinet & on side
Brown took over from Blair but he didn't force him out or ever speak out against him.
Same for Major after Thatcher etc etc
Starmer was in the Shadow cabinet right till the end of Corbyn. If he'd had even a scintilla of a problem with what was going on & any principles at all he should have resigned to the back benches till Corbyn was gone. Instead of which he was espousing Corbyn's virtues right up till polling day.
The man is a two faced t
t.BUT
There is the argument that it was better that he stay rather than go as he suspected he could replace Corbyn and reposition the party into a more central position
Let us remember that a few months ago it wasn't at all clear that Keir would become leader.
The party still seemed mired in the left
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