Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

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purplepenguin

1,226 posts

151 months

Thursday 25th February
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loafer123 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Really? Personally I think the Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care would be perfect. Now there is a PM in waiting if ever I saw one.
I love the fact that even a proponent of his skills couldn't recall his name and had to use his title instead.

I looked him up...apparently it is Jonathan Ashworth.

Means nothing? Certainly didn't to me, so here's a photo;



Personally, I'm still none the wiser.
Giggity

SpeckledJim

24,992 posts

217 months

Thursday 25th February
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valiant said:
768 said:
It's still not achieving an education.

It's insulting to the electorate that she was put in that post as if there was no one literally better qualified. She's a stooge, one that Starmer is stuck with and one I don't see the party can move on with.
She was voted in as an MP by the electorate and further voted in as DL by Labour Party members and their affiliates.

She has never hidden her lack of formal education so the electorate in her constituency knew of this and still voted her in. Perhaps they put more importance in her performance and abilities than a educational certificate?
That's true of every MP of all flavour. Doesn't put any of them beyond appraisal or reproach though.

biggbn

9,630 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th February
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whoami said:
biggbn said:
Good to see you back Jake, and just for sts and giggles, if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Me too. smile
Epic fail, you're not your. And I'm an English teacher!! Shuffles off in shame....

gooner1

10,223 posts

143 months

Thursday 25th February
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biggbn said:
whoami said:
biggbn said:
Good to see you back Jake, and just for sts and giggles, if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Me too. smile
Epic fail, you're not your. And I'm an English teacher!! Shuffles off in shame....
English teacher or Teacher of English? smile

biggbn

9,630 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th February
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jakesmith said:
Biggy Stardust said:
biggbn said:
if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Ahem!
Oh dear, aren’t you a teacher too biggbn!? Irony indeed buddy smile

I try not to get into the spelling and grammar thing. I’m a million times more educated than Rayner as a result of not dropping out of school at 16, yet still make occasional autocorrect or spelling mistake.
....an English teacher at that. Oh, the shame, the shame smile

biggbn

9,630 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th February
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gooner1 said:
biggbn said:
whoami said:
biggbn said:
Good to see you back Jake, and just for sts and giggles, if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Me too. smile
Epic fail, you're not your. And I'm an English teacher!! Shuffles off in shame....
English teacher or Teacher of English? smile
Neither, it would seemsmile

gooner1

10,223 posts

143 months

Thursday 25th February
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biggbn said:
Neither, it would seemsmile



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Andy 308GTB

2,350 posts

185 months

Thursday 25th February
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biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
Biggy Stardust said:
biggbn said:
if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Ahem!
Oh dear, aren’t you a teacher too biggbn!? Irony indeed buddy smile

I try not to get into the spelling and grammar thing. I’m a million times more educated than Rayner as a result of not dropping out of school at 16, yet still make occasional autocorrect or spelling mistake.
....an English teacher at that. Oh, the shame, the shame smile
You'll always be excused on account of your mental car ownership record biggrin


768

8,333 posts

60 months

Thursday 25th February
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valiant said:
I don’t disagree with much of that!

My point is that certain posters are hanging their hat on the fact that a lack of education automatically makes you unsuitable to hold political office especially if it’s a politician from the ‘other side’ and the counterpoint that a decent education is no guarantee that you’ll be a brilliant politician or minister.
Not any political office. Shadow Education Secretary.

And I'm not suggesting having an education guarantees you'd get a good Education Secretary either.

Any other arguments I'm not making you wish to argue against?

biggbn

9,630 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th February
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Andy 308GTB said:
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
Biggy Stardust said:
biggbn said:
if your going to criticise other people's lack of education, might be an idea to check your spelling before hitting submit...irony, she is a fickle mistress but I do love her. smile
Ahem!
Oh dear, aren’t you a teacher too biggbn!? Irony indeed buddy smile

I try not to get into the spelling and grammar thing. I’m a million times more educated than Rayner as a result of not dropping out of school at 16, yet still make occasional autocorrect or spelling mistake.
....an English teacher at that. Oh, the shame, the shame smile
You'll always be excused on account of your mental car ownership record biggrin
That's slowed right down, much more sensible now, much, it seems, to the detriment of my grammar...

Tony427

2,764 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th February
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loafer123 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Really? Personally I think the Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care would be perfect. Now there is a PM in waiting if ever I saw one.
I love the fact that even a proponent of his skills couldn't recall his name and had to use his title instead.

I looked him up...apparently it is Jonathan Ashworth.

Means nothing? Certainly didn't to me, so here's a photo;



Personally, I'm still none the wiser.
I believe VDS was only "joshing"......

jakesmith

9,031 posts

135 months

Thursday 25th February
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Tony427 said:
loafer123 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Really? Personally I think the Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care would be perfect. Now there is a PM in waiting if ever I saw one.
I love the fact that even a proponent of his skills couldn't recall his name and had to use his title instead.

I looked him up...apparently it is Jonathan Ashworth.

Means nothing? Certainly didn't to me, so here's a photo;



Personally, I'm still none the wiser.
I believe VDS was only "joshing"......
He didn't mean it, it was just a bit of fun! That's why Corbyn didn't sack him - Corbyn is known for his fantastic sense of humour and it was all in jest.

Pan Pan Pan

7,688 posts

75 months

Saturday 27th February
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loafer123 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Really? Personally I think the Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care would be perfect. Now there is a PM in waiting if ever I saw one.
I love the fact that even a proponent of his skills couldn't recall his name and had to use his title instead.

I looked him up...apparently it is Jonathan Ashworth.

Means nothing? Certainly didn't to me, so here's a photo;



Personally, I'm still none the wiser.
Someone who cannot even pronounce his own name properly? He even refers to himself as Jonafan Ashwerff. smile Mind you Gavin Williamson is just as bad! smile

768

8,333 posts

60 months

Saturday 27th February
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AmitG

2,612 posts

124 months

Sunday 28th February
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768 said:
Ouch!!!


turbobloke

92,884 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th February
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MPs - no minimum education level needed, no particular knowledge needed, except how to fill in expenses forms.

A Winner Is You

22,919 posts

191 months

Sunday 28th February
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AmitG said:
768 said:
Ouch!!!
Respect UK party as well

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

11,637 posts

59 months

Sunday 28th February
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turbobloke said:
MPs - no minimum education level needed, no particular knowledge needed, except how to fill in expenses forms.
To be fair, that means they're pretty good at multiplication and creative writing.

turbobloke

92,884 posts

224 months

Monday 1st March
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
turbobloke said:
MPs - no minimum education level needed, no particular knowledge needed, except how to fill in expenses forms.
To be fair, that means they're pretty good at multiplication and creative writing.
Good points.

amusingduck

9,172 posts

100 months

Monday 1st March
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Why has Starmer fallen off a cliff?