Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
Discussion
768 said:
What was he doing anyway, I thought we weren't supposed to be going into pubs yet, let alone with an entourage?
Indeed good point. I suspect they were going to do a ‘man of the people’ photo op with him holding a pint - completely forgetting that you are not allowed in pubs yetmarkyb_lcy said:
Labour Party Press Office ...
It would be nice if they could be clear, what exactly they consider to be "misinformation". Sounded like the guy had his facts right to me.
It would be nice if they could be clear, what exactly they consider to be "misinformation". Sounded like the guy had his facts right to me.
Apart from the beloved leader already tweeting a nice sarky link to the 'how to vote' webpage.
Convenient that they don't want to "amplify" proof of Starmer standing there watching as his security assaulted a landlord on his own premises. (Co owned)...
Hereward said:
Smear campaign.Any right-minded person who watched those exchanges and/or saw the short TalkRadio interview of him will know this guy isn't some kind of nut-job. Starmer team are making a bad situation worse here. The "Conspiracy Theorist" / "Covid Denier" labels won't stick.
Sway said:
Convenient that they don't want to "amplify" proof of Starmer standing there watching as his security assaulted a landlord on his own premises. (Co owned)...
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.markyb_lcy said:
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.
DittoIt was like something out of 1950's Soviet Russia.
Much like Labour's politics
Trackdayer said:
markyb_lcy said:
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.
DittoIt was like something out of 1950's Soviet Russia.
Much like Labour's politics
markyb_lcy said:
Trackdayer said:
markyb_lcy said:
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.
DittoIt was like something out of 1950's Soviet Russia.
Much like Labour's politics
The same people who cheered on people having a go at Boris now describing the same type who had a go at Starmer as a grandstanding tosser... f
king Priceless. This is a text book case of how to handle the situation completely the wrong way, from the goons manhandling him to Starmer saying he will not be lectured to by 'people like you' (that is Labour voters Kier!) to the attempt to smear him by the Labour party machine.
The icing on the cake is that he is a life-long Labour supporter and not a Tory. How anybody can think this is anything other than a complete and utter disaster for him needs to give their head a wobble.
king Priceless. This is a text book case of how to handle the situation completely the wrong way, from the goons manhandling him to Starmer saying he will not be lectured to by 'people like you' (that is Labour voters Kier!) to the attempt to smear him by the Labour party machine.The icing on the cake is that he is a life-long Labour supporter and not a Tory. How anybody can think this is anything other than a complete and utter disaster for him needs to give their head a wobble.
loafer123 said:
markyb_lcy said:
Trackdayer said:
markyb_lcy said:
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.
DittoIt was like something out of 1950's Soviet Russia.
Much like Labour's politics
On the main policy platform, Covid Authoritarianism, both major parties broadly have the same policy. There's a bit of harder, faster, better, stronger with Keir, but he has to say that, if he broadly agrees, otherwise he really would have nothing at all to say.
Granted, there are aspects of policy outside their rampant authoritarianism on which the 1950s Soviet Russia label might be more applicable to Labour than Conservative, but even some of those have flipped - Rishi says raise Corp Tax, Keir said "hold up".
markyb_lcy said:
Sway said:
Convenient that they don't want to "amplify" proof of Starmer standing there watching as his security assaulted a landlord on his own premises. (Co owned)...
That aspect of it was frankly disgusting. Some nerve. It makes me really angry seeing some bouncer for an MP acting like he's a member of the diplomatic protection service or something.If Labour have a hope of winning elections then they need to be wooing people like me who are centrists - Starmer is failing with comments like “ not taking lectures from people like you”. In that regard he has failed and I had hopes for him.
He needs to remember that his duty is to serve the electorate, not the other way round - so he should listen to what people”like you” say.
I will be voting for “none of the above” written on my ballot paper on May 6th
Mr E said:
Sway said:
Well, I don't think I've seen any examples of Johnson having his goons assaulting someone on their own premises. Or at all...
From memory, Mr Johnson merely conspired to have a journalist roughed up. Which is much more ‘ruling class’, no?That'll be a criminal matter, wouldn't it?
Oh wait, except he didn't actually do anything, did he? No evidence he supplied the chaps address, which is all that Guppy wanted from BoJo.
In comparison, we have actual video, from today of Starmer watching an assault actually occur right in front of him - and on his behalf.
Then, we have the "not take lectures from the likes of you" just after.
Then the tweet, strongly implying the only way a member of the public should criticise or get involved is via the ballot box. Otherwise, they're just a positive photo op.
Real nice, for someone who continually presents himself as the defender of law and order and the common man.
For those calling his security "goons" just be aware that its almost certainly a Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met Police. If for some reason it wasn't PaDP PC then it will have been an officer from a similar unit. He did everything right, keeping the guy at a distance and using very limited force, used the surroundings to block the guy from getting closer and preventing any harm while trying to calm the guy down who was clearly irate. The PaDP officers are well trained for this type of situation. The officer did the right thing, had he allowed the guy to storm after Starmer and get even close to him that would have probably been the end of his career in DPG as you never willingly permit a threat to get between you (the protection officer) and your principle (the person you protect).
bluesandtwos said:
For those calling his security "goons" just be aware that its almost certainly a Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met Police. If for some reason it wasn't PaDP PC then it will have been an officer from a similar unit. He did everything right, keeping the guy at a distance and using very limited force, used the surroundings to block the guy from getting closer and preventing any harm while trying to calm the guy down who was clearly irate. The PaDP officers are well trained for this type of situation. The officer did the right thing, had he allowed the guy to storm after Starmer and get even close to him that would have probably been the end of his career in DPG as you never willingly permit a threat to get between you (the protection officer) and your principle (the person you protect).
Is he afforded this protection as Official LOO, or as a Privy Councillor / both, and would other party leaders / senior MPs (non-privy-council) get the same protection?Well I'd counter that by saying he looked and acted just like the goons that followed Yaxley-Lennon around.
One example of what I wouldn't call reasonable force - pivoting and throwing him down stairs - instead of through the open doorway to the right of the front door.
He also allowed Starmer to get close enough to pass something to the landlord, touching distance.
Also, if the claim from Labour was true, and the landlord had assaulted a female staffer before the cameras came on - why no arrest?
One example of what I wouldn't call reasonable force - pivoting and throwing him down stairs - instead of through the open doorway to the right of the front door.
He also allowed Starmer to get close enough to pass something to the landlord, touching distance.
Also, if the claim from Labour was true, and the landlord had assaulted a female staffer before the cameras came on - why no arrest?
swisstoni said:
Sway said:
swisstoni said:
Feel sorry for Starmer on this one.
Why?If he can't cope with an angry member of the electorate without:
Getting the goon squad to physically assault them
Sneering about not being lectured to by the likes of him
Having a sarky twitter response suggesting the only form of public input should be at the ballot box
Then he really shouldn't be in his position, and it certainly doesn't scan with the 'legal prosecutor super operator' image he likes to portray...
ked over you'd probably be pretty angry too?Starmer is an absolute waste of space, and deserves no sympathy from even the most deluded Labour supporter.
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