Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

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turbobloke

103,747 posts

259 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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anonymous said:
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Totally.

In one sense, Boris is going nowhere. In another sense, so is Starmer.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
swisstoni said:
Sway said:
swisstoni said:
Feel sorry for Starmer on this one.
Why?

If he can't cope with an angry member of the electorate without:

Getting the goon squad to physically assault them

Sneering about not being lectured to by the likes of him

Having a sarky twitter response suggesting the only form of public input should be at the ballot box


Then he really shouldn't be in his position, and it certainly doesn't scan with the 'legal prosecutor super operator' image he likes to portray...
Because he ran in to a grandstanding tosser.
If you had a business that had been royally fked over you'd probably be pretty angry too?
Starmer is an absolute waste of space, and deserves no sympathy from even the most deluded Labour supporter.
Spoke for me. He told the wker no he wasn’t welcome. He’s not happy, not a loon. His business is fked. If there’s a go fund me page I’ll donate to fund a private prosecution. Starker is 15 points behind despite the st show. Loser!

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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markyb_lcy said:
Labour Party Press Office ...



rolleyes

It would be nice if they could be clear, what exactly they consider to be "misinformation". Sounded like the guy had his facts right to me.
I see they have removed that tweet. Absolute melts. laugh


They just don't read the public at all.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Trackdayer

1,090 posts

40 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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This just underlines yet again how there is next to no possibility of anything but a Tory govt. for the foreseeable future. Labour again proving themselves utterly useless, irrelevant and embarassing.

SiH

1,822 posts

246 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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Hereward said:
markyb_lcy said:
Labour Party Press Office ...

But this Tweet has amplified it...
Labour HQ are going for the full-on 'Streisand effect' here!

i4got

5,626 posts

77 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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gizlaroc said:
I see they have removed that tweet. Absolute melts. laugh


They just don't read the public at all.
The tweet is still there as far as I can see.

dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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Is he sure he wants criticism to be kept to the ballot box?
It didn't work out very well last time.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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Either that co-landlord is a mentally ill covid denier , or this was a cunning plan for free publicity by the two landlords. Surely the one that invited keir knew his pub partner was mad ?

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Iwantafusca said:
Either that co-landlord is a mentally ill covid denier , or this was a cunning plan for free publicity by the two landlords. Surely the one that invited keir knew his pub partner was mad ?
Mentally ill-do you blame him. I don’t. He is excused for any ranting about covid. The reality is his business is ruined and here is a worse than useless politician trying to score points when it’s completely the wrong place to do so. I do hope there is more to come on the obvious assault by his security.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Iwantafusca said:
Either that co-landlord is a mentally ill covid denier , or this was a cunning plan for free publicity by the two landlords. Surely the one that invited keir knew his pub partner was mad ?
You're diagnosing mental illness based on under two minutes of video?

You are aware of the largest cause of death in men under 50, and you feel like that's an appropriate thing to use as a slur?

Jog the fk on.

JagLover

42,268 posts

234 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Tony427 said:
The thing is the Landlord is correct in stating that Starmers refusal to hold the govt to account has killed many people.

4.7 million delays to hosipital treatments and huge queues for surgery to alleviate life threatening conditions will undoubtedly kill more people than Covid 19.

Yet Starmer, the forensic genius, won't be talked to by the likes of him.

Boris must be laughing himself silly. I wonder if there will be a witty quip next PMQ's ?
I am not sure he will

It is a sign that outside of their carefully chosen focus groups there is real anger against our political classes. If Starmer is being harangued for not providing a proper opposition to the government, then how is the government being regarded....

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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I’ve got no love for Johnson or Starmer, but this did make me chuckle...


anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Sway said:
You're diagnosing mental illness based on under two minutes of video?

You are aware of the largest cause of death in men under 50, and you feel like that's an appropriate thing to use as a slur?

Jog the fk on.
It’s actually accidental poisoning now , so i will try and come up with one to represent that lol. Got to keep up at the back.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Iwantafusca said:
Sway said:
You're diagnosing mental illness based on under two minutes of video?

You are aware of the largest cause of death in men under 50, and you feel like that's an appropriate thing to use as a slur?

Jog the fk on.
It’s actually accidental poisoning now , so i will try and come up with one to represent that lol. Got to keep up at the back.
Oh even classier..

I won't bother writing the response I'd actually like to, as it'd end up in my first ban from here in over a decade.

bitchstewie

50,813 posts

209 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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bluesandtwos said:
For those calling his security "goons" just be aware that its almost certainly a Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met Police. If for some reason it wasn't PaDP PC then it will have been an officer from a similar unit. He did everything right, keeping the guy at a distance and using very limited force, used the surroundings to block the guy from getting closer and preventing any harm while trying to calm the guy down who was clearly irate. The PaDP officers are well trained for this type of situation. The officer did the right thing, had he allowed the guy to storm after Starmer and get even close to him that would have probably been the end of his career in DPG as you never willingly permit a threat to get between you (the protection officer) and your principle (the person you protect).
I do wonder what people would have had him do and what they'd do if they found themselves in a similar situation with someone ranting and raving at their wife or child or partner like that.

It looks awful but I suspect there's a tiny bit of political blinkers going on with some of the reactions here.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

61 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Full on hatchet job now against the publican who told Starmer what he thought. The shills and compliant media are out earning their fees

Dr Hilary from GMB (yes, the guy who defended Spain’s “masks while bathing” rule, 12 months after telling us masks are useless) ...

https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...

Dan Hodges (well known lockdown zealot)

https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1384140400466...

Sky news saying the man “had to be restrained”

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/138416855923689...

rolleyes

Jinx

11,345 posts

259 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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bhstewie said:
I do wonder what people would have had him do and what they'd do if they found themselves in a similar situation with someone ranting and raving at their wife or child or partner like that.

It looks awful but I suspect there's a tiny bit of political blinkers going on with some of the reactions here.
He wasn't ranting and raving when there were outside of the pub. If Sir Keir feels supporting the government in this is the correct thing to do he should be able to explain why (I thought he was supposed to be an eloquent lawyer in command of his facts?). From what I could tell there were no wife and children present? He chose to ignore the publican's points and then attempt to continue his photo op in the public house.
He lost control of the situation and did nothing to diffuse it - not exactly statesmanlike.

bitchstewie

50,813 posts

209 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Jinx said:
He wasn't ranting and raving when there were outside of the pub. If Sir Keir feels supporting the government in this is the correct thing to do he should be able to explain why (I thought he was supposed to be an eloquent lawyer in command of his facts?). From what I could tell there were no wife and children present? He chose to ignore the publican's points and then attempt to continue his photo op in the public house.
He lost control of the situation and did nothing to diffuse it - not exactly statesmanlike.
I didn't mean Starmer's wife or child I meant if it was the Queen or Prince William and a member of the public starts acting like that.

What would you have their protection do?

Fully agree he didn't handle it well.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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bhstewie said:
bluesandtwos said:
For those calling his security "goons" just be aware that its almost certainly a Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met Police. If for some reason it wasn't PaDP PC then it will have been an officer from a similar unit. He did everything right, keeping the guy at a distance and using very limited force, used the surroundings to block the guy from getting closer and preventing any harm while trying to calm the guy down who was clearly irate. The PaDP officers are well trained for this type of situation. The officer did the right thing, had he allowed the guy to storm after Starmer and get even close to him that would have probably been the end of his career in DPG as you never willingly permit a threat to get between you (the protection officer) and your principle (the person you protect).
I do wonder what people would have had him do and what they'd do if they found themselves in a similar situation with someone ranting and raving at their wife or child or partner like that.

It looks awful but I suspect there's a tiny bit of political blinkers going on with some of the reactions here.
It's not a wife or child - it's a politician who's already had a verbal disagreement with the chap, before then deciding to go into 'his' pub.

For all the training - he kept him close enough for Starmer to touch, and instead of going through the door on the right threw him bodily down stairs.

I'd say (and have) the same about the wkers who used to follow the tosser Yaxley-Lennon around behaving in the same way. I'd say the same if it was the Conservatives, and someone was ranting and raving at Johnson.

There were plenty of people screaming that the chap is the landlord. The landlord was very clear he's intending no harm - but he wants Starmer out of his pub.

Any other circumstance - and the bloke intervening would be done for assault, and they'd both be barred from every pub in Bath.

There was zero need for Starmer to go in after the initial row. The claim is he wanted to check inside cause he didn't believe the guy was the landlord (and that's fair enough) - send one of the staffers in, that's the defusing action.

Not patronising him, and then ignoring him to go in anyway.
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