Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)
Discussion
grumbledoak said:
Alucidnation said:
I would say the plan has worked.
Lockdown has served its purpose.
Out of curiosity, what did you think it's purpose was?Lockdown has served its purpose.
anonymous said:
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I'm with you on this one.I mostly prefer a nice quiet country pub for good food but I also enjoy a rowdy drinkers pub with good beer and good craic from time to time.
There are pubs for all kinds of atmosphere. I see no reason any one of us should expect every pub in the country to be exactly what we want all of the time. That would be boring as hell.
Besides, the drunks need somewhere to go, or they'll be in parks and streets, which Robertj21a I am sure you'd agree would be even worse?
In any case, rowdy antisocial people are no more a problem post-covid than they were pre-covid, unless you're a hide-behind-your-sofa type, in which case I'd recommend laying low for a bit longer.
MX5Biologist said:
Its getting R0 to below 1.
Nope. R0 is constant. R can change, maybe naturally, maybe in response to intervention measures.The stated aim was to prevent the NHS running out of beds. If no-one needs a hospital bed, or if we have enough hospital capacity, R can be eleventy million and we don't care.
In fact the hospitals were never overrun for a number of reasons, not least that this disease massively selects the old and frail. Which we actually knew at the time.
sim72 said:
JagLover said:
Schools never were a risky environment for this virus
JagLover said:
Once people start going back to tightly packed, air conditioned, offices or similar indoor venues then you might see infections rise again
Make your mind up.
Some people just can’t help themselves.
BBC weird story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53307973
Coronavirus shielders: 'We're a bit forgotten'
''She has been staying at home during lockdown because she lives with a number of health conditions''
''Eliza's partner Michael has type 1 diabetes, which studies suggest puts him more at risk.
Eliza doesn't have to shield, but her nurse has told her to avoid transport and busy public spaces and to only meet friends outside''
??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53307973
Coronavirus shielders: 'We're a bit forgotten'
''She has been staying at home during lockdown because she lives with a number of health conditions''
''Eliza's partner Michael has type 1 diabetes, which studies suggest puts him more at risk.
Eliza doesn't have to shield, but her nurse has told her to avoid transport and busy public spaces and to only meet friends outside''
??
The Spruce Goose said:
Saw a story on local news a 47 it worker killed himself because lost job in probation and in limbo for support. Really sad an untold victim of this pandemic, wife and kid as well.
I've posted elsewhere on here that lockdown is making me depressed. I can associate with the feelings of the guy you saw on local news. Worryingly, I know I am not the only one. I know that a supplier of mine is really struggling with their mental health and at least one tenant is in a notably bad way (bad enough for me to gently but strongly suggest to her that she seeks help.) And I also know a good friend of mine is suffering similarly.
Stories like these will rarely reach the news. But they are one of the costs of lockdown, and it's a high cost to pay.
anonymous said:
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Yep, but wondering with the hindsight specs firmly perched on nose, whilst conveniently forgetting that when many of these significant decisions were made we had Skype calls from very competent doctors in Italy, where the medics were sobbing with exhaustion, stress and despair, whilst telling us "UK this will be you in a few weeks."Yes there were decisions and actions taken that with benefit to time over again would be done differently. Some if those have turned out to be significantly wrong or too slow to act, but it's easy when you hadn't previously stocked up in hindsight and crystal balls.
sim72 said:
Good question, actually. Unfortunately, one of the main problems is that many of them will be headteachers, other senior staff and experienced teachers, which are exactly the sort of people you don't want to be getting rid of.
I don't know what the answer is either, I'm afraid. The government's instruction that teaching staff will *not* wear PPE is completely insane, frankly. I'm sure a lot of people would be happier (and, of course, safer) if that was the case.
You are aware that inappropriate use of PPE can increase transmission rather than reduce it?I don't know what the answer is either, I'm afraid. The government's instruction that teaching staff will *not* wear PPE is completely insane, frankly. I'm sure a lot of people would be happier (and, of course, safer) if that was the case.
FiF said:
Yep, but wondering with the hindsight specs firmly perched on nose, whilst conveniently forgetting that when many of these significant decisions were made we had Skype calls from very competent doctors in Italy, where the medics were sobbing with exhaustion, stress and despair, whilst telling us "UK this will be you in a few weeks."
Standard Italian crisis management that though. Seen worse and all the guy had done was knock the rudder off his race boat. 
2Btoo said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Saw a story on local news a 47 it worker killed himself because lost job in probation and in limbo for support. Really sad an untold victim of this pandemic, wife and kid as well.
I've posted elsewhere on here that lockdown is making me depressed. I can associate with the feelings of the guy you saw on local news. Worryingly, I know I am not the only one. I know that a supplier of mine is really struggling with their mental health and at least one tenant is in a notably bad way (bad enough for me to gently but strongly suggest to her that she seeks help.) And I also know a good friend of mine is suffering similarly.
Stories like these will rarely reach the news. But they are one of the costs of lockdown, and it's a high cost to pay.
Alucidnation said:
sim72 said:
JagLover said:
Schools never were a risky environment for this virus
JagLover said:
Once people start going back to tightly packed, air conditioned, offices or similar indoor venues then you might see infections rise again
Make your mind up.Some people just can’t help themselves.
Sim72 has a vested interest and seems to be trying to justify the stance taken by the teaching unions. In reality teaching school children is not equivalent to "going over the top" in the first world war. It is a considerably lower risk profession in this outbreak than most other jobs that cannot be done from home.
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 7th July 07:15
Melbourne locked down again
BBC said:
The new lockdown order will apply to metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire to its north - about five million residents in total.
Mr Andrews says those people can only leave home for care, essential items, exercise and work "if you have to".
"There is simply no alternative other than thousands and thousands of cases and potentially more," he has just told reporters.
"I think a sense of complacency has crept into us as we let our frustrations get the better of us. I think that each of us knows someone who has not been following the rules as well as they should have."
The state had been steadily easing restrictions before the surge in the past fortnight. Currently, it has more than 700 active cases.
Other Australian states and territories continue to report only small numbers of new infections, and have banned Victorians from entry.
Australia has had about 8,500 cases in total and 106 deaths.
If you dont let it pass through the population naturally you will always be at risk of these local flare ups. Mr Andrews says those people can only leave home for care, essential items, exercise and work "if you have to".
"There is simply no alternative other than thousands and thousands of cases and potentially more," he has just told reporters.
"I think a sense of complacency has crept into us as we let our frustrations get the better of us. I think that each of us knows someone who has not been following the rules as well as they should have."
The state had been steadily easing restrictions before the surge in the past fortnight. Currently, it has more than 700 active cases.
Other Australian states and territories continue to report only small numbers of new infections, and have banned Victorians from entry.
Australia has had about 8,500 cases in total and 106 deaths.
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