Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
frisbee said:
Welshbeef said:
Israel too
Also 3 U.K. pubs shut down one Somerset Yorkshire and I forget the last they and all customers attending have to isolate due to positive Covid tests.
You only need to isolate if someone that you have been in close contact with reports symptoms. Just being in the same place, where social distancing has been followed, doesn't require it.Also 3 U.K. pubs shut down one Somerset Yorkshire and I forget the last they and all customers attending have to isolate due to positive Covid tests.
A perfect example of the confusing guidance from this inept government.
El stovey said:
Australia looks to be doing pretty well to me. I doubt they’re looking at the U.K. as an example of how to manage the pandemic.
It is somewhat like a parachutist without his 'chute saying "So far so good. So far so good. So far so good..." though. They cannot stay indoors forever.grumbledoak said:
It is somewhat like a parachutist without his 'chute saying "So far so good. So far so good. So far so good..." though. They cannot stay indoors forever.
You have it completely backwards. Vast majority of Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam. Korea, Hungary, Norway etc etc and are outdoors enjoying life. Going to work. Getting health care.
Whilst in free uk, people are barley leaving the house, scared to go to their gp or the shops.
It could be worse - I hope compulsory mask wearing isn't mandated here: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/HyubwrlJv#autopla...
sambucket said:
grumbledoak said:
It is somewhat like a parachutist without his 'chute saying "So far so good. So far so good. So far so good..." though. They cannot stay indoors forever.
You have it completely backwards. Vast majority of Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam. Korea, Hungary, Norway etc etc and are outdoors enjoying life. Going to work. Getting health care.
Whilst in free uk, people are barley leaving the house, scared to go to their gp or the shops.
Help and support from a GP
If you need to contact a GP, do not go into the surgery in person.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19...
Don't head off to Vietnam to check out the shoppers, you won't get in unless you're a diplomat etc. South Korea is currently battling coronavirus infections from new clusters.
https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/covid-19-vie...
Finland (not mentioned above) won't allow travelers to enter via Sweden by car. Not seen anything about other modes of entry.
In the UK we're scared to go to the shops. Really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53044826
Shoppers rush to the High Street as England stores reopen
El stovey said:
Australia looks to be doing pretty well to me. I doubt they’re looking at the U.K. as an example of how to manage the pandemic.
The pandemic isn't over - premature adjudication strikes again. Lessons of the useful variety may be learned in a year or two, rather than now at around half-time if that.Australia's population density is around 3 people per sq km.
UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
There could well be an worse comparison available. All comparisons between countries are fraught with difficulty but provide propaganda to those in need.
frisbee said:
Welshbeef said:
Israel too
Also 3 U.K. pubs shut down one Somerset Yorkshire and I forget the last they and all customers attending have to isolate due to positive Covid tests.
You only need to isolate if someone that you have been in close contact with reports symptoms. Just being in the same place, where social distancing has been followed, doesn't require it.Also 3 U.K. pubs shut down one Somerset Yorkshire and I forget the last they and all customers attending have to isolate due to positive Covid tests.
A perfect example of the confusing guidance from this inept government.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pubs-close-...
There is no mandatory isolation mentioned other than a couple of staff members - punters only need to isolate if contacted by TTI,
Worst case you get a call, get a test. Fairly easy to determine just by reading the article tbh.
turbobloke said:
Are they/we not being told to stay away from GP surgeries, and phone in for a call-back / video / email appointment / consultation?
Don't head off to Vietnam to check out the shoppers, you won't get in unless you're a diplomat etc. South Korea is currently battling coronavirus infections from new clusters.
https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/covid-19-vie...
Finland (not mentioned above) won't allow travelers to enter via Sweden by car. Not seen anything about other modes of entry.
In the UK we're scared to go to the shops. Really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53044826
Shoppers rush to the High Street as England stores reopen
We are being encouraged, but self referrals are down 75% in general I heard? I understand remote GP consultation worked better than expected, so will be used much more frequently regardless. Capacity is limmited still due to infection controls. Again a problem that would be eased if we had lower virus levels.Don't head off to Vietnam to check out the shoppers, you won't get in unless you're a diplomat etc. South Korea is currently battling coronavirus infections from new clusters.
https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/covid-19-vie...
Finland (not mentioned above) won't allow travelers to enter via Sweden by car. Not seen anything about other modes of entry.
In the UK we're scared to go to the shops. Really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53044826
Shoppers rush to the High Street as England stores reopen
Yes strict incoming quarantine is required for elimination. But it's unclear if there is an alternative. If Spain has to lock down Barcelona after a few cases, what is the end game in this middle ground? It's obvious spain is not going to allow cases to rise, so why this middle dance? Pick a strategy and do it properly. It's all the pain and none of the rewards.
Despite some notable, oft photographed exceptions, people are scared in the UK to go to shops, and schools, and hospitals, and workplaces.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 7th July 12:15
turbobloke said:
The pandemic isn't over - premature adjudication strikes again. Lessons of the useful variety may be learned in a year or two, rather than now at around half-time if that.
Is this the longest "half-time" in history? Seems to be lasting months.I personally now believe that a significant number of countries have enough seen enough of the "first-wave" to start making comparisons (albeit with the caveat that any second waves or outbreaks clearly changes things as does what may become quite long-term fallout from lockdown). This represents a change in position for me because up to a month ago I was still in the "too early to say" camp. "Half-time" can't last forever.
Interesting figures from the ONS regarding deaths. 314 less deaths than the 5 year average for the week ending June 26th. There were over 500 less Covid deaths for the week ending the 2nd July so you would expect deaths for that week to be close to 1,000 lower than the 5 year average. It is looking as if weekly deaths could be much lower per week for a good few months right up to the end of the year and beyond.
Even at 1200 lower per week, by the end of the year the actual number of excess deaths would be as little as a few 1,000 higher than the last bad flu year in 2018. In addition people being much more careful with their own hygiene and staying in if they have cold or flu symptoms could make a huge difference to the numbers dying of flu/ pneumonia.
Even at 1200 lower per week, by the end of the year the actual number of excess deaths would be as little as a few 1,000 higher than the last bad flu year in 2018. In addition people being much more careful with their own hygiene and staying in if they have cold or flu symptoms could make a huge difference to the numbers dying of flu/ pneumonia.
grumbledoak said:
El stovey said:
Australia looks to be doing pretty well to me. I doubt they’re looking at the U.K. as an example of how to manage the pandemic.
It is somewhat like a parachutist without his 'chute saying "So far so good. So far so good. So far so good..." though. They cannot stay indoors forever.What’s really the case is that IF things go really wrong for Australia in the future, they might be in the same situation as the U.K. but at the moment they’re doing a lot better.
turbobloke said:
Australia's population density is around 3 people per sq km.
UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
True, but Covid doesn’t work where there are no people, i.e. a significant portion of Australia.UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
Melbourne’s population density is 500 people per square km, which is why they are s
t scared of it getting out of control and locking down before it is too late.Jader1973 said:
turbobloke said:
Australia's population density is around 3 people per sq km.
UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
True, but Covid doesn’t work where there are no people, i.e. a significant portion of Australia.UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
Melbourne’s population density is 500 people per square km, which is why they are s
t scared of it getting out of control and locking down before it is too late.Urban population of Australia 86.2%
Urban population of the U.K. 83.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_coun...
Utterly pointless to look at population density when most of Australia is empty.
El stovey said:
Jader1973 said:
turbobloke said:
Australia's population density is around 3 people per sq km.
UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
True, but Covid doesn’t work where there are no people, i.e. a significant portion of Australia.UK population density is around 270 people per sq km.
Melbourne’s population density is 500 people per square km, which is why they are s
t scared of it getting out of control and locking down before it is too late.Urban population of Australia 86.2%
Urban population of the U.K. 83.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_coun...
Utterly pointless to look at population density when most of Australia is empty.
https://www.newgeography.com/content/006155-austra...
English urban population densities for comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_dist...
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