Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)
Discussion
As I mentioned a few days ago Spain seeing a rise again, they need to keep a lid on that as its tourist season now too and whilst travel is limited to some extent its not good that Brits will be going to Spain if they continue as they are as they have had day on day rises in cases for a good few days now.
Quote from the Guardian:
'Scots are being urged to “clap for Nicola” this Sunday, to thank the first minister and SNP leader for her efforts during the coronavirus pandemic as she celebrates her 50th birthday.
The Clap for Nicola Facebook page encourages its thousands of sign-ups to get out their pots, pans and bagpipes (so often languishing at the back of a Scottish cupboard) to thank Sturgeon for the “exceptional job” she has done so far this year.'
FFS!!!
'Scots are being urged to “clap for Nicola” this Sunday, to thank the first minister and SNP leader for her efforts during the coronavirus pandemic as she celebrates her 50th birthday.
The Clap for Nicola Facebook page encourages its thousands of sign-ups to get out their pots, pans and bagpipes (so often languishing at the back of a Scottish cupboard) to thank Sturgeon for the “exceptional job” she has done so far this year.'
FFS!!!
Biker 1 said:
Quote from the Guardian:
'Scots are being urged to “clap for Nicola” this Sunday, to thank the first minister and SNP leader for her efforts during the coronavirus pandemic as she celebrates her 50th birthday.
The Clap for Nicola Facebook page encourages its thousands of sign-ups to get out their pots, pans and bagpipes (so often languishing at the back of a Scottish cupboard) to thank Sturgeon for the “exceptional job” she has done so far this year.'
FFS!!!
They must've missed her out when they complied the list of all nations successfully tackling COVID due to the strong female leaders.'Scots are being urged to “clap for Nicola” this Sunday, to thank the first minister and SNP leader for her efforts during the coronavirus pandemic as she celebrates her 50th birthday.
The Clap for Nicola Facebook page encourages its thousands of sign-ups to get out their pots, pans and bagpipes (so often languishing at the back of a Scottish cupboard) to thank Sturgeon for the “exceptional job” she has done so far this year.'
FFS!!!
If these people weren't anti--Monarchists they'd be praising the Queen.
steveo3002 said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
mrs got one...we slung it out 
turbobloke said:
smashing said:
poo at Paul's said:
All these claims about the stats, this seems odd, as the daily briefing and subsequent pillar 1 and pillar 2 info clearly states two figures, one where Covid is the cause of death, the higher one where covid mentioned on the death certificate.
Excess deaths is then another calculation.
From memory, it is about 45l, 55k and 65k, respectively.
So is the claim that a person with a positive test, recovers, gets hit by us 3 m later, had Covid 19 as the cause of death, ie one of the 45k? Seems impossible for that to happen! I can however believe they may end up in the second category, ie cause of death, run over by bus, recent Covid 19 patient.
But ultimately, a death certificate needs to be signed off, and I cannot beleive any doctor attending or treating a trauma, would say someone died of Covid on a death certificate, there is a Dennis bumper impaled up their jacksie.
That isn't what it is saying. Excess deaths is then another calculation.
From memory, it is about 45l, 55k and 65k, respectively.
So is the claim that a person with a positive test, recovers, gets hit by us 3 m later, had Covid 19 as the cause of death, ie one of the 45k? Seems impossible for that to happen! I can however believe they may end up in the second category, ie cause of death, run over by bus, recent Covid 19 patient.
But ultimately, a death certificate needs to be signed off, and I cannot beleive any doctor attending or treating a trauma, would say someone died of Covid on a death certificate, there is a Dennis bumper impaled up their jacksie.
The death certificate can say whatever it likes but if PHE are looking at a database and seeing patient A tested for Covid == True and deceased == True then hey presto in the stats you go.
They aren't looking at the cause of death or the time lag between patient release/test date and death they are just checking that the person is dead.
As stated it's shuper ashtonishing.
Then PHE get the paperwork, crosscheck against a list of test results, screw the death certificate in a ball and chuck it in the bin marked covid...
Now we know why our numbers are so high. Doh.
turbobloke said:
smashing said:
poo at Paul's said:
All these claims about the stats, this seems odd, as the daily briefing and subsequent pillar 1 and pillar 2 info clearly states two figures, one where Covid is the cause of death, the higher one where covid mentioned on the death certificate.
Excess deaths is then another calculation.
From memory, it is about 45l, 55k and 65k, respectively.
So is the claim that a person with a positive test, recovers, gets hit by us 3 m later, had Covid 19 as the cause of death, ie one of the 45k? Seems impossible for that to happen! I can however believe they may end up in the second category, ie cause of death, run over by bus, recent Covid 19 patient.
But ultimately, a death certificate needs to be signed off, and I cannot beleive any doctor attending or treating a trauma, would say someone died of Covid on a death certificate, there is a Dennis bumper impaled up their jacksie.
That isn't what it is saying. Excess deaths is then another calculation.
From memory, it is about 45l, 55k and 65k, respectively.
So is the claim that a person with a positive test, recovers, gets hit by us 3 m later, had Covid 19 as the cause of death, ie one of the 45k? Seems impossible for that to happen! I can however believe they may end up in the second category, ie cause of death, run over by bus, recent Covid 19 patient.
But ultimately, a death certificate needs to be signed off, and I cannot beleive any doctor attending or treating a trauma, would say someone died of Covid on a death certificate, there is a Dennis bumper impaled up their jacksie.
The death certificate can say whatever it likes but if PHE are looking at a database and seeing patient A tested for Covid == True and deceased == True then hey presto in the stats you go.
They aren't looking at the cause of death or the time lag between patient release/test date and death they are just checking that the person is dead.
As stated it's shuper ashtonishing.
Surely both scenarios can’t be correct.?
Yes I see what people are saying now, ie the criteria for the pillar 1 and 2 stats are not as stated on the daily briefings, ie don't reflect the death certificates in all cases.
Worrying. No doubt they will either a) play it down to protect the f
kwitts that did it. or b), play it up, to say it is not as dangerous as they've been telling us, so as to get people back into work and pret a manger!
or c) both of the above, depending on what suits, and that "lessons will be learned" (presumably maths ones).
Worrying. No doubt they will either a) play it down to protect the f
kwitts that did it. or b), play it up, to say it is not as dangerous as they've been telling us, so as to get people back into work and pret a manger! or c) both of the above, depending on what suits, and that "lessons will be learned" (presumably maths ones).
mygoldfishbowl said:
steveo3002 said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
mrs got one...we slung it out You book your collection before you do the test. Ignore the reports of difficulty getting a collection slot, I logged in on a Sunday, had a choice of collections on every day throughout the week, I picked Monday the next day. Got up as usual at 5:30, test done and dusted by 6am. Put test packed in box in fridge, got on with rest of the day. Courier picked it up 8:30. Very efficient. Very clear instructions.
Up to you if participate or not. For some reason I have had a few invitations on trials over the years. Some have taken part, others not with a barge pole. Only you can make that decision. For example the part of the Oxford vaccine trial they are beginning to think about, phase 4 I think, essentially it's a challenge trial where they will give you the disease itself, even if I were a suitable age for that, the barge pole would be deployed with vigour, phase 3 though, civic duty if asked imo. All other opinions are, as always, completely valid. Except anti vaxxers, homeopaths etc they can feck right off just after being hit firmly on the arse with a cricket bat, w
kers.poo at Paul's said:
Yes I see what people are saying now, ie the criteria for the pillar 1 and 2 stats are not as stated on the daily briefings, ie don't reflect the death certificates in all cases.
Worrying. No doubt they will either a) play it down to protect the fkwitts that did it. or b), play it up, to say it is not as dangerous as they've been telling us, so as to get people back into work and pret a manger!
or c) both of the above, depending on what suits, and that "lessons will be learned" (presumably maths ones).
It's easy to be overly critical.Worrying. No doubt they will either a) play it down to protect the f
kwitts that did it. or b), play it up, to say it is not as dangerous as they've been telling us, so as to get people back into work and pret a manger! or c) both of the above, depending on what suits, and that "lessons will be learned" (presumably maths ones).
As with the double counting of cases it has always been better to overcount rather than under. You can imagine the press having a field day with that, although for some reason they seem happy to let Crankie get away with it - for now.
FiF said:
I got one as part of Wave 2 testing. Did it, reported how it went on some pages back. No big deal and it's not that unpleasant, albeit a bit of gag reflex due to a moment of overenthusiastic throat swabbing.
You book your collection before you do the test. Ignore the reports of difficulty getting a collection slot, I logged in on a Sunday, had a choice of collections on every day throughout the week, I picked Monday the next day. Got up as usual at 5:30, test done and dusted by 6am. Put test packed in box in fridge, got on with rest of the day. Courier picked it up 8:30. Very efficient. Very clear instructions.
Up to you if participate or not. For some reason I have had a few invitations on trials over the years. Some have taken part, others not with a barge pole. Only you can make that decision. For example the part of the Oxford vaccine trial they are beginning to think about, phase 4 I think, essentially it's a challenge trial where they will give you the disease itself, even if I were a suitable age for that, the barge pole would be deployed with vigour, phase 3 though, civic duty if asked imo. All other opinions are, as always, completely valid. Except anti vaxxers, homeopaths etc they can feck right off just after being hit firmly on the arse with a cricket bat, wkers.
Thanks for that. On the strength of your reply I'm gonna think a bit harder.You book your collection before you do the test. Ignore the reports of difficulty getting a collection slot, I logged in on a Sunday, had a choice of collections on every day throughout the week, I picked Monday the next day. Got up as usual at 5:30, test done and dusted by 6am. Put test packed in box in fridge, got on with rest of the day. Courier picked it up 8:30. Very efficient. Very clear instructions.
Up to you if participate or not. For some reason I have had a few invitations on trials over the years. Some have taken part, others not with a barge pole. Only you can make that decision. For example the part of the Oxford vaccine trial they are beginning to think about, phase 4 I think, essentially it's a challenge trial where they will give you the disease itself, even if I were a suitable age for that, the barge pole would be deployed with vigour, phase 3 though, civic duty if asked imo. All other opinions are, as always, completely valid. Except anti vaxxers, homeopaths etc they can feck right off just after being hit firmly on the arse with a cricket bat, w
kers.Actually thinking about it I could be thinking about it far too much, so I think I'll just do it and stop thinking about it. Either way it's not going to change my life a great deal.
2Btoo said:
Reliable counting or not, numbers are up today. Not good to look at.
Very low numbers make for very noisy data. Expect ups and downs and don't worry too much. Back in April we were getting 5 or 6 thousand cases a day with nowhere near the testing we have now and the world didn't come to an end. Worrying about things you can't control is a fools errand.
RTB said:
2Btoo said:
Reliable counting or not, numbers are up today. Not good to look at.
Very low numbers make for very noisy data. Expect ups and downs and don't worry too much. Back in April we were getting 5 or 6 thousand cases a day with nowhere near the testing we have now and the world didn't come to an end. Worrying about things you can't control is a fools errand.
cymatty said:
Wonder how many more of rather than with would remove.
The dying with rather than of covid in all honesty is a bit of a moot point though. Per ONS, rather a lot of people have died since March and a good bit more than the average. It's a little tricky to explain the bulk of that number of deaths as due to anything other than covid which obviously is the major differential to prior years....Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff