Cummings and goings...

[APontus]

don'tbesilly said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reshuffle-s...

I'm familiar with the story. Javid refused to accept Cummings' SPADS so was told take it or leave it, so he left it. Fired because he wouldn't be babysat.

Now, the person Boris didn't trust to do the job at the Treasury without being a sock puppet, is being given our health service to run. Hardly a ringing endorsement, but we know from Cummings that Boris wants incompetents in there to keep the limelight on himself. Let's hope for our sake Javid is not as bad as was thought.

I quite like Javid as a person in terms of how he comes across. No idea how good he is as a minister.

[Vanden Saab]

APontus said:

Vanden Saab said:

Yes, Do you think this is a modern thing? Ministers are sacked or resign and are re-hired all the time. amongst other reasons it can be to limit their power, extend the power of the PM. or to show pleasure/ displeasure at their support or lack of or to keep them under control. It can also be used as a snub to people who might have expected to have been offered the job. See Gove for details.

Are you going to try and spin this so Boris comes out of it looking like its all been to plan (in your mind at least)? Good luck with that.

WTAF, how did you get to there?

[Durzel]

One thing I’ve never fully understood about politics is the unique way in which it seems any minister can slot in to any role in government, no matter what their background is.

So Javid was chancellor, and now he’s qualified to be health secretary? What’s his experience in that field? Is it simply the case that ministers are so far removed from the practicalities of what they’re supposed to be overseeing that it doesn’t matter who is in the job?

I couldn’t pitch up at work on Monday and decide I want to be the finance director, because I know how to use Excel. What makes politicians singularly capable of taking on any role in government?

[Derek Smith]

APontus said:

I'm familiar with the story. Javid refused to accept Cummings' SPADS so was told take it or leave it, so he left it. Fired because he wouldn't be babysat.

Now, the person Boris didn't trust to do the job at the Treasury without being a sock puppet, is being given our health service to run. Hardly a ringing endorsement, but we know from Cummings that Boris wants incompetents in there to keep the limelight on himself. Let's hope for our sake Javid is not as bad as was thought.

I quite like Javid as a person in terms of how he comes across. No idea how good he is as a minister.

he seems personable and comes over well. Intellectually, he hasn't shown out, but turning down Cummings as his boss shows he has some sense and, hopefully, integrity.

[hyphen]

Durzel said:

One thing I’ve never fully understood about politics is the unique way in which it seems any minister can slot in to any role in government, no matter what their background is.

So Javid was chancellor, and now he’s qualified to be health secretary? What’s his experience in that field? Is it simply the case that ministers are so far removed from the practicalities of what they’re supposed to be overseeing that it doesn’t matter who is in the job?

I couldn’t pitch up at work on Monday and decide I want to be the finance director, because I know how to use Excel. What makes politicians singularly capable of taking on any role in government?

MPs are decent communicators and by definition at playing the politics, and that is mostly what their job is.

The expert civil servants who actually do the job remain unchanged, and so all the incoming minister needs to do is balance the advice of the civil service, against the demands on him by the pm and also ensure the public polls are favourable (i.e. do what's popular)

All senior managers in any industry also bring in people to help them, such as Aides and quangos. The minister is just listening to everyone and going with what he is told.

Edited by hyphen on Saturday 26th June 23:21

[Durzel]

hyphen said:

Durzel said:

One thing I’ve never fully understood about politics is the unique way in which it seems any minister can slot in to any role in government, no matter what their background is.

So Javid was chancellor, and now he’s qualified to be health secretary? What’s his experience in that field? Is it simply the case that ministers are so far removed from the practicalities of what they’re supposed to be overseeing that it doesn’t matter who is in the job?

I couldn’t pitch up at work on Monday and decide I want to be the finance director, because I know how to use Excel. What makes politicians singularly capable of taking on any role in government?

MPs are decent communicators and by definition at playing the politics, and that is mostly what their job is.

The expert civil servants who actually do the job remain unchanged, and so all the incoming minister needs to do is balance the advice of the civil service, against the demands on him by the pm and also ensure the public polls are favourable (i.e. do what's popular)

All senior managers in any industry also bring in people to help them, such as Aides and quangos. The minister is just listening to everyone and going with what he is told.

Edited by hyphen on Saturday 26th June 23:21

Thanks for the considered reply, it was illuminating

[Vanden Saab]

hyphen said:

Durzel said:

One thing I’ve never fully understood about politics is the unique way in which it seems any minister can slot in to any role in government, no matter what their background is.

So Javid was chancellor, and now he’s qualified to be health secretary? What’s his experience in that field? Is it simply the case that ministers are so far removed from the practicalities of what they’re supposed to be overseeing that it doesn’t matter who is in the job?

I couldn’t pitch up at work on Monday and decide I want to be the finance director, because I know how to use Excel. What makes politicians singularly capable of taking on any role in government?

MPs are decent communicators and by definition at playing the politics, and that is mostly what their job is.

The expert civil servants who actually do the job remain unchanged, and so all the incoming minister needs to do is balance the advice of the civil service, against the demands on him by the pm and also ensure the public polls are favourable (i.e. do what's popular)

All senior managers in any industry also bring in people to help them, such as Aides and quangos. The minister is just listening to everyone and going with what he is told.

Edited by hyphen on Saturday 26th June 23:21

The only dangerous ones are those who have actually worked in the area they are covering and think they have the answers or think they know better than those who really run things.

[skwdenyer]

Vanden Saab said:

The only dangerous ones are those who have actually worked in the area they are covering and think they have the answers or think they know better than those who really run things.

Because "those who really run things" have covered themselves with *so* much glory over the years... This is the essential thrust of Dom's points over many years, and in that I agree with him.

[Digga]

skwdenyer said:

Vanden Saab said:

The only dangerous ones are those who have actually worked in the area they are covering and think they have the answers or think they know better than those who really run things.

Because "those who really run things" have covered themselves with *so* much glory over the years... This is the essential thrust of Dom's points over many years, and in that I agree with him.

Agreed. There is a smug obstinacy in places, which refuses to accept directions from either ministers or public will that is utterly anti democratic.

[bitchstewie]

He's kind of nailed this one

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/14094888508...

Trolley Fri: Argh, accept apology I consider the matter closed
Media/MP babble, 89 Carrie texts p/hour
Trolley Sat, SMASH: Arghhh Matt go now you'll be back better stronger shortly matey forward to victory!
Trolley Mon, CRASH: when I saw the story on Fri we had a new SoS on Sat

[JeffreyD]

He's gone full rogue on his Twitter account today.

[JeffreyD]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

If anyone claims back here it will be even less believable than Ian Botham's.

[Man-At-Arms]

bhstewie said:

He's kind of nailed this one

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/14094888508...

Trolley Fri: Argh, accept apology I consider the matter closed
Media/MP babble, 89 Carrie texts p/hour
Trolley Sat, SMASH: Arghhh Matt go now you'll be back better stronger shortly matey forward to victory!
Trolley Mon, CRASH: when I saw the story on Fri we had a new SoS on Sat

I’ll just make a call to Bletchley Park to translate this for me !?

[anonymous-user]

Man-At-Arms said:

bhstewie said:

He's kind of nailed this one

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/14094888508...

Trolley Fri: Argh, accept apology I consider the matter closed
Media/MP babble, 89 Carrie texts p/hour
Trolley Sat, SMASH: Arghhh Matt go now you'll be back better stronger shortly matey forward to victory!
Trolley Mon, CRASH: when I saw the story on Fri we had a new SoS on Sat

I’ll just make a call to Bletchley Park to translate this for me !?

Trolly is Boris. Cummings described him as . . “No one could find a way around the problem of the Prime Minister [being] just like a shopping trolley smashing from one side of the aisle to the other.”

[the tribester]

JeffreyD said:

He's gone full rogue on his Twitter account today.

He's upset someone found his camera!

[Digga]

the tribester said:

JeffreyD said:

He's gone full rogue on his Twitter account today.

He's upset someone found his camera!

Are there any underpassesinBarnard Castle? Asking for a friend in paparazzi.

[anonymoususer]

He is a very bitter person.

[Captain Raymond Holt]

anonymoususer said:

He is a very bitter person.

It does now feel like he’s just got the hump and is making noise, fewer and fewer people seem to be paying him any attention.

[sevensfun]

the tribester said:

He's upset someone found his camera!

The one in matts office was very visible.

[APontus]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

It does now feel like he’s just got the hump and is making noise, fewer and fewer people seem to be paying him any attention.

On the contrary, events post his tweets and evidence to the committee appear to give credence to his claims.

He probably is bitter and frustrated (not to mention a hypocrite), but that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong.