Cummings and goings...
Discussion
Tuna said:
biggbn said:
Agreed, at the risk of repeating myself, he is an intellectual anarchist and the party he used to attempt to burn the house down; that's the anachronistic system not the house literally, was irrelevant to him. Any fool can see what type of a fella Dom is and the dangers of crossing him. Well, not ANY fool seemingly.... 
It's somewhat amusing to see some of the posters who went out of their way trying to discredit Cummings when he was apparently in charge of everything, now having to jump through mental hoops to agree with his assessment of the government.Unfortunately it says a lot about our current adversarial political environment that some of the useful ideas that he presents will be discarded as people take binary black/white sides.
biggbn said:
You appear to have a short memory, I have always stated I am a fan of Cummings although I do feel he made a huge error of judgement in his lockdown shenanigans, as did the boss with his gushing defence of this mistake. Go back and check of you can be bothered, but I have been consistent in my admiration of Cummings project....A retelling of my posting history may suit any agenda you wish to promote brother man, but you are shouting at the wrong cloud here. It is possible to be in favour of someone/something whilst still being critical, to do any less is to err into the territory of the idealogue, one which I'm sure you wish to have no familiarity with....
Sorry, I wasn't actually accusing you of that - just that your comment rather highlighted the difference between the more thoughtful commentators and those that really just want to pick fights with the "other team".Tuna said:
Unfortunately your persistent use of nicknames makes you sound like a two year old throwing a tantrum.
In many ways I think the combination of Cummings and Johnson was a good one - the two approaches balancing each other out, and reducing the more extreme outcomes. That's what makes the "trolley" attacks by Cummings so effective - Johnson being anything but rigorous in his approach.
I agree, Johnson has seemed even more rudderless since Cummings exit. In many ways I think the combination of Cummings and Johnson was a good one - the two approaches balancing each other out, and reducing the more extreme outcomes. That's what makes the "trolley" attacks by Cummings so effective - Johnson being anything but rigorous in his approach.
Tuna said:
biggbn said:
You appear to have a short memory, I have always stated I am a fan of Cummings although I do feel he made a huge error of judgement in his lockdown shenanigans, as did the boss with his gushing defence of this mistake. Go back and check of you can be bothered, but I have been consistent in my admiration of Cummings project....A retelling of my posting history may suit any agenda you wish to promote brother man, but you are shouting at the wrong cloud here. It is possible to be in favour of someone/something whilst still being critical, to do any less is to err into the territory of the idealogue, one which I'm sure you wish to have no familiarity with....
Sorry, I wasn't actually accusing you of that - just that your comment rather highlighted the difference between the more thoughtful commentators and those that really just want to pick fights with the "other team".
Tuna said:
I think it was a completely lame comment following very poor handling of the previous week's events.
To be honest though, I think that desperately jumping on a typically mealy mouthed comment rather misses the bigger picture that Johnson failed to take control of the situation, failed to manage Hancock's exit and appeared to select Javid on a whim. I can't really care about a weak attempt at deflection when it's his actions over replacing the health secretary that actually matter.
I don't think anyone is desperately jumping on anything. To be honest though, I think that desperately jumping on a typically mealy mouthed comment rather misses the bigger picture that Johnson failed to take control of the situation, failed to manage Hancock's exit and appeared to select Javid on a whim. I can't really care about a weak attempt at deflection when it's his actions over replacing the health secretary that actually matter.
Highlighting our inept PMs failures and the way he communicates are an important part of holding the PM to account. If the electorate can't discuss the way the PM handles a situation then I believe we've failed as a democracy. Should we ignore his comments when he says one thing then completely reverses that statement a day or so later?
sevensfun said:
Hippea said:
He was right tooHippea said:
sevensfun said:
Hippea said:
He was right tooCovid per all the charts we are shown has killed the very oldest and sickest in society.
If Boris had said it doesn’t kill the very oldest but middle age he would have been lying
It seems to me that Cummings has at least three problems:
1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
Brave Fart said:
It seems to me that Cummings has at least three problems:
1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
Except the messages where he proved stuff 1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
Brave Fart said:
It seems to me that Cummings has at least three problems:
1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
He’s the cleverest man in the room, he’s a double agent. Every time he does a ‘leak’ Boris goes up in the polls. 1) he can't prove anything. It's all "the PM said X, he did, really he did......". Of course if he he does have proof that may change things.
2) he lied, or was economical with the truth about the Durham thing. Once a liar, always a liar, is what people will say.
3) by suggesting that Boris, Hancock or both are utterly shambolic and incompetent, he's only telling most people what they already knew. And yet, Boris continues to enjoy broad support, for reasons that escape me but must bug the hell out of Cummings.
Thing is, he was clearly briefing against Boris to Laura Kuenssberg when he was office, with her asking all the loaded and awkward questions.
So him choosing her for this interview doesn’t really carry much weight. I bet he wouldn’t subject himself to an interview with brillo.
He juts comes across as a bitter former employee. Regardless of who’s telling the truth and to an extent cummings knows the dirt - you simply keep your gob shut and move on with your life, but DC seems completely obsessed with score settling - I’m not convinced anyone outside Westminster and the media give a s
t.
So him choosing her for this interview doesn’t really carry much weight. I bet he wouldn’t subject himself to an interview with brillo.
He juts comes across as a bitter former employee. Regardless of who’s telling the truth and to an extent cummings knows the dirt - you simply keep your gob shut and move on with your life, but DC seems completely obsessed with score settling - I’m not convinced anyone outside Westminster and the media give a s
t.eliot said:
Thing is, he was clearly briefing against Boris to Laura Kuenssberg when he was office, with her asking all the loaded and awkward questions.
So him choosing her for this interview doesn’t really carry much weight. I bet he wouldn’t subject himself to an interview with brillo.
He juts comes across as a bitter former employee. Regardless of who’s telling the truth and to an extent cummings knows the dirt - you simply keep your gob shut and move on with your life, but DC seems completely obsessed with score settling - I’m not convinced anyone outside Westminster and the media give a st.
Is that the same Brillo that Bozza hid from when invited for an interview?So him choosing her for this interview doesn’t really carry much weight. I bet he wouldn’t subject himself to an interview with brillo.
He juts comes across as a bitter former employee. Regardless of who’s telling the truth and to an extent cummings knows the dirt - you simply keep your gob shut and move on with your life, but DC seems completely obsessed with score settling - I’m not convinced anyone outside Westminster and the media give a s
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