Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

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jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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skwdenyer said:
Even if that’s true, how has the spend *per capita* trended over 10 years? That’s basically the only number that matters.
No not if the requirement has changed or the population size has changed significantly enough to affect economies of scale or if the cost base has changed significantly enough to alter the deliverables at a price point.

Spend as a percentage of GDP is commonly used as it at least encompasses some degree of staying in kilter with the macro economic Situation and I believe that has fallen slightly.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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jamoor said:
https://youtu.be/rdJwImbWZ_s

Hopefully we see some real progress with this as our countries are so close culturally.
Definitely some good news.

Leaving the EU does mean the U.K. can rebuild relationships with Australia NZ and Canada etc that all got abandoned but have obviously now got their own regional trading partners.

“Freedom of movement opportunities” sounds interesting. The Australians had ruled out freedom of movement or visa free travel back in January. Is this a change in policy or will “some freedom of movement opportunities” actually mean you need a visa like now.

98elise

26,499 posts

161 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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skwdenyer said:
tim0409 said:
Red 4 said:
Are you saying The NHS has not been in decline for the past 10 years with no real increase in budgets despite ever increasing demand ?
The NHS budget has increased above inflation over the last 10 years.
Even if that’s true, how has the spend *per capita* trended over 10 years? That’s basically the only number that matters.
Surely it's the outcomes that truly matter. The amount you spend per person is not necessarily related to the quality of the service you receive.

As an analogy, if I do a price comparison for broadband I will get any number of prices for exactly the same service. As it happens I'm paying way over the odds for Virgin, but that doesn't mean I get a better service. In fact would say virgins service is dire.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

230 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.


gooner1

10,223 posts

179 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Smiler. said:
Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.

Nigh on £75 k and that’s just for the assistant!!!!!!!
What’s the betting that comes with free parking?


John Locke

1,142 posts

52 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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gooner1 said:
Nigh on £75 k and that’s just for the assistant!!!!!!!
What’s the betting that comes with free parking?
Could one afford to run a car on that salary? smile
Just kidding, I am an OAP.

don'tbesilly

13,929 posts

163 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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gooner1 said:
Smiler. said:
Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.

Nigh on £75 k and that’s just for the assistant!!!!!!!
What’s the betting that comes with free parking?
I'd be more interested if one of these (or similar) were supplied free as part of the package biggrin:


anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Smiler. said:
Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.

Seems good value for that kind of important junior management position, I expect you’d get a lot more than that doing a similar role in the private sector or for someone big like the BBC. They’ve probably earned the NHS much more in money they’ve saved the NHS.

They have to pay those kind of salaries to get the right kind of graduates these days.

I’m surprised by the levels of jealousy on here TBH, I thought people approved of the kind of market forces that set these salaries.

don'tbesilly

13,929 posts

163 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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El stovey said:
Smiler. said:
Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.

Seems good value for that kind of important junior management position, I expect you’d get a lot more than that doing a similar role in the private sector or for someone big like the BBC. They’ve probably earned the NHS much more in money they’ve saved the NHS.

They have to pay those kind of salaries to get the right kind of graduates these days.

I’m surprised by the levels of jealousy on here TBH, I thought people approved of the kind of market forces that set these salaries.
Really?

Of the 3/4 posts on the subject were any of them based on jealousy?
Was there a particular comment/s made that made you form that opinion?

Smiler.

11,752 posts

230 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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El stovey said:
Seems good value for that kind of important junior management position, I expect you’d get a lot more than that doing a similar role in the private sector or for someone big like the BBC. They’ve probably earned the NHS much more in money they’ve saved the NHS.

They have to pay those kind of salaries to get the right kind of graduates these days.

I’m surprised by the levels of jealousy on here TBH, I thought people approved of the kind of market forces that set these salaries.
Top trolling.

robemcdonald

8,765 posts

196 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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All the posters moaning about the salary: there’s nothing to stop you applying.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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don'tbesilly said:
Really?

Of the 3/4 posts on the subject were any of them based on jealousy?
Was there a particular comment/s made that made you form that opinion?
Well it all sounds a bit socialist, complaining about other people’s salaries. It’s the old politics of envy thing, but surprising to be coming from people usually so against that kind of behaviour.

If the NHS wants the best people, they have to pay accordingly. In the private sector that role would likely pay a lot more. Seems good value tbh.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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robemcdonald said:
All the posters moaning about the salary: there’s nothing to stop you applying.
I expect there is actually.

robemcdonald

8,765 posts

196 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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El stovey said:
robemcdonald said:
All the posters moaning about the salary: there’s nothing to stop you applying.
I expect there is actually.
What?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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El stovey said:
Smiler. said:
Well, at least parts of the NHS are getting back to the core of what's important.

Seems good value for that kind of important junior management position, I expect you’d get a lot more than that doing a similar role in the private sector or for someone big like the BBC. They’ve probably earned the NHS much more in money they’ve saved the NHS.

They have to pay those kind of salaries to get the right kind of graduates these days.

I’m surprised by the levels of jealousy on here TBH, I thought people approved of the kind of market forces that set these salaries.
Given the large number of BAME working in the NHS, this is an important position.

Salary does look low if they are hoping to compete with the Private Sector for talent. Presume that the package including pension and benefits will compensate?

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

62 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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El stovey said:
don'tbesilly said:
Really?

Of the 3/4 posts on the subject were any of them based on jealousy?
Was there a particular comment/s made that made you form that opinion?
Well it all sounds a bit socialist, complaining about other people’s salaries. It’s the old politics of envy thing, but surprising to be coming from people usually so against that kind of behaviour.

If the NHS wants the best people, they have to pay accordingly. In the private sector that role would likely pay a lot more. Seems good value tbh.
Yep, it’s usually the same people complaining about “incompetence” in the public sector too. If they want the best staff then they’ll need to pay them private sector salaries.

In my industry (systems engineering), one can earn significantly more than 75k without even being responsible for a single other person.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

230 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.

gooner1

10,223 posts

179 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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fk me, it seems the advert has attracted at least 5 interested parties from here already. smile


markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

62 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Smiler. said:
I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.
Assistant Director of a department is a "non-job"?

Regardless of what you think about diversity and such, this position will need to (assist in) managing staff and budgets, that's not a non-job, is it?

If you have the skills and experience and you want the job, why don't you apply instead of ridiculing those who might?

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
Smiler. said:
I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.
Assistant Director of a department is a "non-job"?

Regardless of what you think about diversity and such, this position will need to (assist in) managing staff and budgets, that's not a non-job, is it?

If you have the skills and experience and you want the job, why don't you apply instead of ridiculing those who might?
Well I just asked Mrs C what would this person actually do?

Bearing in mind her current hospital has circa 80% BAME staff and patients.......I never really got any sort of straightforward answer unfortunately.
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