Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
markyb_lcy said:
Smiler. said:
I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.
Assistant Director of a department is a "non-job"?Regardless of what you think about diversity and such, this position will need to (assist in) managing staff and budgets, that's not a non-job, is it?
If you have the skills and experience and you want the job, why don't you apply instead of ridiculing those who might?
Smiler. said:
In my experiences of the non-medical working of the NHS, absolutely.
Compared to the auxiliary nursing staff working on Macmillan wards, or any other ward ,that salary is an affront to human decency.No jealousy here, just amazement as to whose job is deemed to be more worthy. Why do the highest paid seem to get all the subsidies, eg free parking, meals, whatever?
I’m shocked how all the usual sjw’s can’t see this.
Smiler. said:
I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.
I saw what you did there 
Have to laugh as well at all the posters who seem to think a salary of £78K in Derbyshire is needed to be competitive with all the private sector junior managers on the same or more
They are either trolling or have no idea about salary levels outside central London.
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/vacancy/916089712
Full advert there.
Pretty much the vaguest job description you could get. 2 paragraphs of waffle.
Full advert there.
Pretty much the vaguest job description you could get. 2 paragraphs of waffle.
JagLover said:
Smiler. said:
I for one would love a whacking salary for a non-job, but there's no way I could woke out how to do it.
I saw what you did there Have to laugh as well at all the posters who seem to think a salary of £78K in Derbyshire is needed to be competitive with all the private sector junior managers on the same or more
They are either trolling or have no idea about salary levels outside central London.
markyb_lcy said:
Is assistant director of a department a "junior manager" position?
Depends on the size of the department. I imagine HR is its own department so cannot see how even in the public sector they would need that many people for a separate "diversity" department in one NHS Trust.Out here in the private sector we have one individual monitoring diversity for an office of fifty people on top of their day to day job that actually earns money for the firm.
markyb_lcy said:
Is assistant director of a department a "junior manager" position?
This seems analogous to being a HR Manager in terms of role - Average UK Salary £43KOr HR Director - Average UK Salary £62K
No getting away from the size of the NHS as an employer, but that is a pretty solid salary by most people's standards.
gooner1 said:
Smiler. said:
In my experiences of the non-medical working of the NHS, absolutely.
Compared to the auxiliary nursing staff working on Macmillan wards, or any other ward ,that salary is an affront to human decency.No jealousy here, just amazement as to whose job is deemed to be more worthy. Why do the highest paid seem to get all the subsidies, eg free parking, meals, whatever?
I’m shocked how all the usual sjw’s can’t see this.
The barriers to becoming an auxiliary nurse in a Macmillan ward are fairly low and those jobs are easy to replace.
It’s much harder to train and recruit a manager or assistant manager and they have much more responsibility in their decision making.
It’s not about being worthy it’s just about responsibility and training and required education and qualifications.
The highest paid can often easily leave and use their skills, qualifications and experience to get a better or similar paid job elsewhere.
If auxiliary Macmillan nurses were hard to replace and train then they would also get paid much more.
That’s the whole point to getting a great education and qualifications and getting transferable skill sets, you can get better jobs in the long run.
Unknown_User said:
There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.
That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.Brave Fart said:
Unknown_User said:
There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.
That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.I'm watching Netflix as I type this. I pay Netflix and they send me some pictures to my tv. I don’t sit there wondering if my subscription is being used to pay for parts of Netflix I don’t agree with.
That’s the trouble with the public sector, because it’s funded out of taxation it makes people think it’s their right to say exactly where their tax contribution should go.
markyb_lcy said:
This is providing a rather successful diversion from the thread topic. I'm confused as to why it was posted here on this topic in the first place.
Can someone explain what it has to do with Boris Johnson, please?
Smiler posted it this morning. Presumably to stoke people up about diversity and public sector waste. Can someone explain what it has to do with Boris Johnson, please?
markyb_lcy said:
This is providing a rather successful diversion from the thread topic. I'm confused as to why it was posted here on this topic in the first place.
Can someone explain what it has to do with Boris Johnson, please?
Questions on current Governments NHS funding was brought up then the budget etc, then the job was posted as an example of, probably, a waste of NHS money for a job that probably doesn't need to exist if HR are doing things properly in the first place.Can someone explain what it has to do with Boris Johnson, please?
Brave Fart said:
Unknown_User said:
There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.
That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.Helicopter123 said:
Brave Fart said:
Unknown_User said:
There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.
That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.El stovey said:
Isn’t that the way with most jobs? Those with better qualifications and skills and responsibility get paid more?
The barriers to becoming an auxiliary nurse in a Macmillan ward are fairly low and those jobs are easy to replace.
It’s much harder to train and recruit a manager or assistant manager and they have much more responsibility in their decision making.
It’s not about being worthy it’s just about responsibility and training and required education and qualifications.
The highest paid can often easily leave and use their skills, qualifications and experience to get a better or similar paid job elsewhere.
If auxiliary Macmillan nurses were hard to replace and train then they would also get paid much more.
That’s the whole point to getting a great education and qualifications and getting transferable skill sets, you can get better jobs in the long run.
None of the above is an excuse for paying a pittance to those that help and support patients of all ages going through the hardestThe barriers to becoming an auxiliary nurse in a Macmillan ward are fairly low and those jobs are easy to replace.
It’s much harder to train and recruit a manager or assistant manager and they have much more responsibility in their decision making.
It’s not about being worthy it’s just about responsibility and training and required education and qualifications.
The highest paid can often easily leave and use their skills, qualifications and experience to get a better or similar paid job elsewhere.
If auxiliary Macmillan nurses were hard to replace and train then they would also get paid much more.
That’s the whole point to getting a great education and qualifications and getting transferable skill sets, you can get better jobs in the long run.
times in their lives. How do you train or educate someone to comfort a child in severe pain and discomfort, that is not a transferable skill and has nothing to do with a having a good education?
Btw, what makes you imagine that auxiliary nurses are bereft of a decent education?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff