Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
I won't be shamed into not providing my opinions on a discussion forum.
I'm not sure where you got that from?? Who is shaming you?No hard feelings from me.
andymadmak said:
El stovey said:
What’s the likely unexaggerated cost?
You're missing my point. BBC article says, costs up to 2 billion plus a 12 month delay, Zygy immediately reports this as a minimum 2 billion cost and a two year delay...
Dowden said:
This will delay our 5G rollout. Our decisions in January had already set back that rollout by a year and cost up to a billion pounds.
Today’s decision to ban the procurement of new Huawei 5G equipment from the end of this year will delay rollout by a further year and will add up to half a billion to the costs. Requiring operators, in addition, to remove Huawei equipment from their 5G networks by 2027 will add hundreds of millions to the cost and further delay roll out. This means a cumulative delay to 5G rollout of two to three years and costs of up to two billion pounds.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/digital-culture-media-and-sport-secretarys-statement-on-telecomsToday’s decision to ban the procurement of new Huawei 5G equipment from the end of this year will delay rollout by a further year and will add up to half a billion to the costs. Requiring operators, in addition, to remove Huawei equipment from their 5G networks by 2027 will add hundreds of millions to the cost and further delay roll out. This means a cumulative delay to 5G rollout of two to three years and costs of up to two billion pounds.
Difficult to see any exaggeration by the bbc anyway.
But yes you and zygalski are both half right or half wrong, he said up to 2 billion and two to three year delay.
Tuna said:
mx5nut said:
Please do tell me where I've demonised you or anyone else in the last few pages, MrNut?Or are you going to admit to trolling?
It’s just some people posting about the government on a thread about our PM.
markyb_lcy said:
Forgive me ... it sounded like you were shaming myself and a handful of other posters for taking over the thread. It wasn't my assertion but perhaps I lapped it up when I shouldn't have.
No hard feelings from me.
No hard feelings, and apologies accepted. The discussions this morning about masks felt fair minded and good natured. It's a shame we can't keep that tone more often.No hard feelings from me.
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
Forgive me ... it sounded like you were shaming myself and a handful of other posters for taking over the thread. It wasn't my assertion but perhaps I lapped it up when I shouldn't have.
No hard feelings from me.
No hard feelings, and apologies accepted. The discussions this morning about masks felt fair minded and good natured. It's a shame we can't keep that tone more often.No hard feelings from me.
We do need a healthy dose of de-escalation in here from time to time
El stovey said:
And where have you been demonised? All a bit OTT isn’t it? Nobody is demonising anyone. Do you feel demonised? I certainly don’t
Mate, this is your post, just one page earlier:El stovey said:
Weird though isn’t it, them naming us to try and stop us posting.
This from mx5nutmx5 said:
he's drawn to threads about Johnson and other high profile Brexiters and angrily defends them, occasionally trolling and derailing the thread before flouncing off when the things they've done make them indefensible.
This from markymarkyb_icy said:
When they can't criticise their leader (who is PM) for bringing out a policy they disagree with, they'll blame whatever "elite" they think they can. The BBC, the WHO, lefties, marxists, corbyn etc
These from IforIforB said:
We see it on this thread daily and I agree, there has to be some form of mass psychosis going on to explain just how many people seem to be utterly mental.
IforB said:
It shows how these ultras really are ideologically narrow. they see the world in one dimension and anything that falls outside of that is something to be hated. Compromise, rationality, consensus and plain and simple democracy are completely unknown quantities to them.
This from PihaPiha said:
The mental gymnastics on display today from our resident Dom Cum/Boris Ultra's is quite astounding!
Top work guys. Top work.I stand corrected.
Huawei decision will mean 2 to 3 year cumulative delay + £2bn additional costs, according to the Torygraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/14/po...
Huawei decision will mean 2 to 3 year cumulative delay + £2bn additional costs, according to the Torygraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/14/po...
Tuna said:
This from marky
Please be assured that my post isn't aimed at any one or more specific person(s).markyb_lcy said:
When they can't criticise their leader (who is PM) for bringing out a policy they disagree with, they'll blame whatever "elite" they think they can. The BBC, the WHO, lefties, marxists, corbyn etc
And it's markyb_lcy (London City) not markyb_icy ... I'm not as cool as I'd like to be
markyb_lcy said:
Please be assured that my post isn't aimed at any one or more specific person(s).
And it's markyb_lcy (London City) not markyb_icy ... I'm not as cool as I'd like to be
Serious apologies - lcy makes so much more sense! And it's markyb_lcy (London City) not markyb_icy ... I'm not as cool as I'd like to be
The point is that the tone of debate on here is a little bit frothy. "Ultras", "stopping people from posting", and random claims of people being "mental" and defending Boris at any cost are simply dishonest - and in a couple of places downright nasty.
Tuna said:
El stovey said:
And where have you been demonised? All a bit OTT isn’t it? Nobody is demonising anyone. Do you feel demonised? I certainly don’t
Mate, this is your post, just one page earlier:El stovey said:
Weird though isn’t it, them naming us to try and stop us posting.
This from mx5nutmx5 said:
he's drawn to threads about Johnson and other high profile Brexiters and angrily defends them, occasionally trolling and derailing the thread before flouncing off when the things they've done make them indefensible.
This from markymarkyb_icy said:
When they can't criticise their leader (who is PM) for bringing out a policy they disagree with, they'll blame whatever "elite" they think they can. The BBC, the WHO, lefties, marxists, corbyn etc
These from IforIforB said:
We see it on this thread daily and I agree, there has to be some form of mass psychosis going on to explain just how many people seem to be utterly mental.
IforB said:
It shows how these ultras really are ideologically narrow. they see the world in one dimension and anything that falls outside of that is something to be hated. Compromise, rationality, consensus and plain and simple democracy are completely unknown quantities to them.
This from PihaPiha said:
The mental gymnastics on display today from our resident Dom Cum/Boris Ultra's is quite astounding!
Top work guys. Top work.Look back to this morning, the thread was all quite light hearted until you waded in calling people out and insulting them and now feigning victimisation and that you’re being demonised.
Cmon tuna you keep arriving and taking the piss out of those of us complaining which is great but then you start flouncing about it all a few posts later when people respond.
El stovey said:
Do you actually think ANYTHING there in all those links is demonising you? Honestly?
Demonising: portray as wicked and threatening.El stovey said:
naming us to try and stop us posting.
IforB said:
anything that falls outside of that is something to be hated
The persistent use of the term "Ultras" to refer to anyone not criticising Boris, claims of attacks that didn't even occur in this thread and other tactics designed to dehumanise and demonise other posters on here is getting embarrassing.El stovey said:
Look back to this morning, the thread was all quite light hearted until you waded in calling people out and insulting them and now feigning victimisation and that you’re being demonised.
When did I wade in and call people out? Seriously chap, go and re-read the posts - and specifically the accusations you've been throwing around left right and centre.If you can't see it, you might be part of the problem.
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