US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

Poll: US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

Total Members Polled: 343

Joseph R Biden: 53%
Donald J Trump: 44%
A.N. Other : 3%
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Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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paulguitar said:
Not sure what 'screaming and shouting' you're referring to?
Trump's Twitter account?

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Bill said:
g4ry13 said:
4 years ago the Democrats set up a smear campaign
Wait, what? How about her emails, lock her up, pizzagate etc etc? The Trump campaign slung a tonne of st.

Trump lost the popular vote and got in due to the electoral college system. Against HRC who was way more divisive than Biden is.

Now some of the GOP is turning against Trump, some are retiring but some are coming out against him. Covid and these protests have shown him up as incompetent, happy to take the credit when it's good but unable to cope when it isn't.

However, it's by no means a foregone conclusion. Plenty of his base will lap up the bullst.

But as the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Not this rubbish again?
GOP flung the dirt, some of it stuck, which is why when Comey announced 10 days before the election he was reopening the investigation into Clinton it lost her the election by influencing the swing voters. Comey however kept quiet about the multiple investigations already ongoing into all of trumps campaign team, most of who ended up being charged.


Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Countdown said:
g4ry13 said:
It's no coincidence that the last time BLM sprung up was 4 years ago. Or maybe you're just really naive how this game works.
It started in 2013. There appear to have been peaks and troughs in activity but nothing correlating to the election cycle.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

What makes you think it's linked to the Democrats?
It's a good year 2013. Putins approach to trump to get him to run for president allegedly started with prostitutes at the Moscow Miss World. The Kompromat material...

geeks

9,121 posts

138 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Countdown said:
g4ry13 said:
It's no coincidence that the last time BLM sprung up was 4 years ago. Or maybe you're just really naive how this game works.
It started in 2013. There appear to have been peaks and troughs in activity but nothing correlating to the election cycle.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

What makes you think it's linked to the Democrats?
Because for Trump supporters everything is a conspiracy launched by the Dems to try and eviscerate their fuhrer! Covid and Racism are just the two latest examples.


A man takes his daughter on a tour of the Trump White House. Halfway round his daughter is crying and inconsolable, when the man asks why his little girl is upset she loudly proclaims "Daddy I thought you said the White House was full of clowns!"

paulguitar

23,104 posts

112 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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g4ry13 said:
He was impeached by the House of Representatives. Which also happens to be a Democrat majority.

It's all a political game.

It's not a game at all. trump committed impeachable offences, quite clearly. The Dems did their constitutional duty.

The Republicans in the Senate failed themselves and their county.



chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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g4ry13 said:
paulguitar said:
g4ry13 said:
spent the last 4 years trying to smear and impeach Trump.
Nonsense. They've simply tried to hold trump accountable for what he's done. They have not attempted to 'smear' at all.
Really? Seems like every little thing he does people critique and try to make fun of. The way he walks, opens a door, shakes someone's hand etc.
That’s because he is pretty much incapable of walking, opening a door and shaking someones hand without looking like an idiot.

He can’t even stand in one place without looking like a knobhead


Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Joe Biden hits 50% in many Polls, thats something Clinton never managed and a sign of how badly trump is performing

Not a single poll in June 2016 had Clinton even touching 50%. Biden, meanwhile, reached at least 50% in three live interview polls this past week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/biden-...

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Byker28i said:
Joe Biden hits 50% in many Polls, thats something Clinton never managed and a sign of how badly trump is performing

Not a single poll in June 2016 had Clinton even touching 50%. Biden, meanwhile, reached at least 50% in three live interview polls this past week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/biden-...
He's also ahead in most swing states which is all that really matters.

Let's remember, Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes, an unprecedented number for a "losing" candidate, dwarfing the 500k that GWB trailed Gore by. Trump won on a technicality, 70,000 odd votes in 3 swing states that were targeted by Putin, who is much smarter than Trump, and ignored by Mook which was a huge error.

The headline numbers mean nothing, the focus has to be on the swing states. The good news is that the number of swing states is growing and now includes Texas and Arizona and may grow further as prominent republicans seek to distance themselves from the Mango Maniac.

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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People like this make me think Trump's got it in the bag already

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/12699919365...

_dobbo_

14,327 posts

247 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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A Winner Is You said:
People like this make me think Trump's got it in the bag already

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/12699919365...
Well if the person who's house being broken into is black they've got a solid chance of being shot or arrested themselves. So who should they call?

The only thing he has in the bag is a certain demographic.


Vanden Saab

13,892 posts

73 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Byker28i said:
Joe Biden hits 50% in many Polls, thats something Clinton never managed and a sign of how badly trump is performing

Not a single poll in June 2016 had Clinton even touching 50%. Biden, meanwhile, reached at least 50% in three live interview polls this past week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/biden-...
Fake news again...
In June 2016 three polls had Clinton at 51% and one at 50%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/pres...

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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How sad is this...

Remember how I said trumps campaign is inclusive of Yes men, apart from Brad Parscale who taking as much money as he can...

Over the last month the Trump campaign has spent about $400,000 on cable news ads in the D.C. area, with the specific purposeto appeal to trump and to put him at ease. trump has been worried about his standing electorally, so his team gave him some content to watch on his favorite cable networks, that strokes his ego.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-camp-runs-ads-...

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
Byker28i said:
Joe Biden hits 50% in many Polls, thats something Clinton never managed and a sign of how badly trump is performing

Not a single poll in June 2016 had Clinton even touching 50%. Biden, meanwhile, reached at least 50% in three live interview polls this past week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/biden-...
Fake news again...
In June 2016 three polls had Clinton at 51% and one at 50%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/pres...
Thanks, I looked through the historical data on fivethirtyeight and they showed Clinton never over 48%.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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June 2020




August 2016

Reuter’s:



July 2016 CNN:


Summary: Biden needs a bigger lead than 10 points in these mickey mouse polls to win.

paulguitar

23,104 posts

112 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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"Pizzagate' trending on Twitter today.rolleyes


There is a whole wackjob community out there, and I think things are going to get extra odd for the next few months...

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Ignore the polls. Biden is going to win the popular vote by a large margin, there is not too much doubt about that.

The only results that matter are in these states; Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Nevada. What happens in Tennessee or Louisiana or Indiana or Illinois or California or New York etc... is irrelevant.

Having said that Texas, Arizona and Georgia are now trending away from the republicans. If Biden were to win any of those it would be a huge shock and would likely presage a very bad night for the GOP. They have a number of vulnerable senators and a sizeable Biden win would spell big trouble for Collins, Ernst, McSally (already done probably), Gardner, Tillis and even Lady G who is in a tightening race in SC as well as others.

But as Harold Wilson said "a week is a long time in politics" and we've got another 5 months of this.

Tallow

1,624 posts

160 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Bill said:
But as the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before... scratchchin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwdH3Q54ZY

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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unrepentant said:
Ignore the polls. Biden is going to win the popular vote by a large margin, there is not too much doubt about that.

The only results that matter are in these states; Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Nevada. What happens in Tennessee or Louisiana or Indiana or Illinois or California or New York etc... is irrelevant.

Having said that Texas, Arizona and Georgia are now trending away from the republicans. If Biden were to win any of those it would be a huge shock and would likely presage a very bad night for the GOP. They have a number of vulnerable senators and a sizeable Biden win would spell big trouble for Collins, Ernst, McSally (already done probably), Gardner, Tillis and even Lady G who is in a tightening race in SC as well as others.

But as Harold Wilson said "a week is a long time in politics" and we've got another 5 months of this.
In the current RealClearPolitics polling averages, Biden is up by close to 9 points nationally; he is up in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina. That's pretty much every major swing state. Other polls have him at 7 points.

Byker28i

58,831 posts

216 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Carl_Manchester said:
Summary: Biden needs a bigger lead than 10 points in these mickey mouse polls to win.
You ignored the comey effect, which is what the push was to tip it over for trump. He hasn't got that this time, in fact it's much more likely we'll see lots of dirt start coming out about trump.

The redacted Mueller report is under threat to be released in July, his tax cases are still ongoing, Summer Zervos case is coming back into court soon raising the sexual assault claims again, his business bank loans are under investigation...
All coming at the wrong time for him.

And what's his campaign team doing? Running ads praising trump on tv channels he watches to pump his ego...

trump got into office aided by outside interference from the Russians, a rediculous decision by Comey and a stupid email story blown out of proportion by the media, and he still only won by less than 100,000 votes in three states. There is no trump magic

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 9th June 16:24

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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unrepentant said:
He's also ahead in most swing states which is all that really matters.

Let's remember, Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes, an unprecedented number for a "losing" candidate, dwarfing the 500k that GWB trailed Gore by. Trump won on a technicality, 70,000 odd votes in 3 swing states that were targeted by Putin, who is much smarter than Trump, and ignored by Mook which was a huge error.

The headline numbers mean nothing, the focus has to be on the swing states. The good news is that the number of swing states is growing and now includes Texas and Arizona and may grow further as prominent republicans seek to distance themselves from the Mango Maniac.
Trump didn't win on a technicality, he won the race being run
It was only after the fact that Clinton's supporters decided it should have been a different race.