Black Lives Matter - Who are they?

[Leon R]

Gadgetmac said:

Leon R said:

Gadgetmac said:

Leon R said:

Gadgetmac said:

Leon R said:

Gadgetmac said:

ddom said:

Gadgetmac said:

Don’t agree. Per million is perfectly valid. You’d also need to quantify “encounters” for a start.

How long did you live in the US?

Long enough and not far from where your beloved rebel emblem is being removed from the state flag.

Why so vague?

For the same reason that we all have user names and not our real names.

What super secret information do you think people will learn from knowing where you used to live and for how long?

‘People’ don’t want to know where I lived, that’s just you.

You avoid direct questions pretty well I will give you that.

And you ask somewhat personal questions (that have no bearing on the conversation) on an internet forum I will give you that.

Except I never did ask you a personal question, someone else asked it after you said you lived in the U.S which actually does seem relevant to the topic.

All I asked is why you gave a vague answer to which you responded with another vague answer and then diverted the conversation.

[Gadgetmac]

Dont Panic said:

Gadgetmac said:

For the same reason that we all have user names and not our real names.

You dont mean? Youre someone else? Dundun duuuuuuuuuuun!

I am...just not 2 someone elses...

[Gadgetmac]

Leon R said:

Except I never did ask you a personal question, someone else asked it after you said you lived in the U.S which actually does seem relevant to the topic.

And frankly I responded to it with an answer that I deem sufficient for an Internet forum....”Long enough”.

Leon R said:

All I asked is why you gave a vague answer to which you responded with another vague answer and then diverted the conversation.

I haven’t “diverted” the conversation at all, it’s you thats stepped in and asked “where” I lived and deemed “Long enough” to be to vague...but again that’s only you saying that.

My own personal history is completely irrelevant and a strawman.

[ddom]

Gadgetmac said:

I haven’t “diverted” the conversation at all, it’s you thats stepped in and asked “where” I lived and deemed “Long enough” to be to vague...but again that’s only you saying that.

My own personal history is completely irrelevant and a strawman.

Like quoting ambiguous US statistics?

[Gadgetmac]

ddom said:

Gadgetmac said:

I haven’t “diverted” the conversation at all, it’s you thats stepped in and asked “where” I lived and deemed “Long enough” to be to vague...but again that’s only you saying that.

My own personal history is completely irrelevant and a strawman.

Like quoting ambiguous US statistics?

All statistics are open to interpretation but those that I quoted warranted a mention on a statistical website.

Now, if you don’t like the statistical websites finding that “the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020.” you need to explain why. You should also provide a link or two to support your argument.

[166 MM Barchetta]

Christ, only a few pages and here we go again.
Same posters, same personal arguments, same baiting, same trolling.
Only managed 3 pages before the willy waving trolls come back......not surprising given the posters....thick as mince and obsessed with the last word no matter what......

Over to you mods, let’s see another topic closed down thanks to the idiots.....

[Gadgetmac]

166 MM Barchetta said:

Christ, only a few pages and here we go again.
Same posters, same personal arguments, same baiting, same trolling.
Only managed 3 pages before the willy waving trolls come back......not surprising given the posters....thick as mince and obsessed with the last word no matter what......

Over to you mods, let’s see another topic closed down thanks to the idiots.....

Nah, ddom and Leon aren’t that bad.

[Smiler.]

Gadgetmac said:

166 MM Barchetta said:

Christ, only a few pages and here we go again.
Same posters, same personal arguments, same baiting, same trolling.
Only managed 3 pages before the willy waving trolls come back......not surprising given the posters....thick as mince and obsessed with the last word no matter what......

Over to you mods, let’s see another topic closed down thanks to the idiots.....

Nah, ddom and Leon aren’t that bad.

[Gadgetmac]

166 MM Barchetta said:

Christ, only a few pages and here we go again.
Same posters, same personal arguments, same baiting, same trolling.
Only managed 3 pages before the willy waving trolls come back......not surprising given the posters....thick as mince and obsessed with the last word no matter what......

Over to you mods, let’s see another topic closed down thanks to the idiots.....

Meanwhile on another thread...

gadgetmac said:

I'm trying to ignore you fella but you seem fixated on me. I mean ffs, doing the calculations for what percentage of posts are from me.

[bstb3]

Gadgetmac said:

All statistics are open to interpretation but those that I quoted warranted a mention on a statistical website.

Now, if you don’t like the statistical websites finding that “the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020.” you need to explain why. You should also provide a link or two to support your argument.

As a statement of numerical fact, sure its fine. The problem is the basis of the comparison, per million population, is very misleading as it ignores the very heavy weighting effect of the Black and African American community being overly represented in crime statistics, particularly involving violence. Its just far too simplistic to be useful for much in its own right.

Stats from 2017 as a midpoint for the statista analysis you linked to:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in...


Population (Statista again, forgot to capture the link)


So per million, B&AA is 3,488 violent crimes, White 948. On the same very simplistic basis thats B&AA 3.5 times more likely to be committing a violent crime, versus (from your stats) approx 2.5 times as likely to be killed by police. If you want to make top level assumptions from very poor baselines you might argue that is not particularly disproportionate [and that 2.5 times is before factoring in Hispanic is potentially represented in white crimes in the FBI data so we should possibly be adding some of those deaths to the white ones].




And that last statement, as harsh and horrible as it is, is exactly why you cannot and should not use such basic divisors as 'per million' when talking about a very specific contextual issue such as police killings. Its not possible, from such a high level, to determine the real cause or patterns of what is happening.

Bad statistics are no better than no statistics imo, if not worse.

[Gadgetmac]

Good post bstb3.

There are counter points that could be made but I’m happy to leave it there as a natural break.

[bstb3]

Gadgetmac said:

Good post.

There are counter points that could be made but I’m happy to leave it there as a natural break.

Fair enough, it's way too late anyway tbh . I am not disagreeing there is a big problem though, just to be clear.

[166 MM Barchetta]

Gadgetmac said:

166 MM Barchetta said:

Christ, only a few pages and here we go again.
Same posters, same personal arguments, same baiting, same trolling.
Only managed 3 pages before the willy waving trolls come back......not surprising given the posters....thick as mince and obsessed with the last word no matter what......

Over to you mods, let’s see another topic closed down thanks to the idiots.....

Meanwhile on another thread...

gadgetmac said:

I'm trying to ignore you fella but you seem fixated on me. I mean ffs, doing the calculations for what percentage of posts are from me.

Eh?

[Gadgetmac]

I’ve just looked at other posts you’ve made after I’ve posted and frankly your obsession is a bit creepy. That was a response I gave to one of your previous interventions. Just like your intervention above you do it a lot.

[Dont Panic]

I think what we can say with some conviction is that black lives matter as an organisation are now plainly not the answer to the problems of black people in the uk or anywhere else.

[Smiler.]

I thought this thread had morphed into Mac Lives Matter.

Like so many others.

[166 MM Barchetta]

Gadgetmac said:

I’ve just looked at other posts you’ve made after I’ve posted and frankly your obsession is a bit creepy. That was a response I gave to one of your previous interventions. Just like your intervention above you do it a lot.

Okey dokey chap, whatever helps you deflect, weirdly, I’ve never felt the need to trawl through previous posts, however, if you feel targeted then that’s up to you.
I mean, I’m sure it’s just coincidental that I point out yet another topic on the verge of being closed down by “last word” warriors and trolls only interested in attacking the person rather than risk exposing their individual stupidity by actually making a valid contribution, yep,just a coincidence........
I guess I’m pretty close to being Tubobloke’s new identity if this happens anymore.
Christ, there really are some very strange, self absorbed posters on here. Amusing but equally weird.
Anyway Gadgetmac, you have a nice day, and in future I’ll try to be more considerate of your feelings, wouldn’t want to give you a reason to deflect from the point now would we.....

[166 MM Barchetta]

Smiler. said:

I thought this thread had morphed into Mac Lives Matter.

Like so many others.

Sorry Gadget, couldn’t resist giving this a




Promise I’ll think about your feelings from now on, starting in

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Edited by 166 MM Barchetta on Monday 6th July 09:57

[Gadgetmac]

166 MM Barchetta said:

Gadgetmac said:

I’ve just looked at other posts you’ve made after I’ve posted and frankly your obsession is a bit creepy. That was a response I gave to one of your previous interventions. Just like your intervention above you do it a lot.

Okey dokey chap, whatever helps you deflect, weirdly, I’ve never felt the need to trawl through previous posts, however, if you feel targeted then that’s up to you.
I mean, I’m sure it’s just coincidental that I point out yet another topic on the verge of being closed down by “last word” warriors and trolls only interested in attacking the person rather than risk exposing their individual stupidity by actually making a valid contribution, yep,just a coincidence........
I guess I’m pretty close to being Tubobloke’s new identity if this happens anymore.
Christ, there really are some very strange, self absorbed posters on here. Amusing but equally weird.
Anyway Gadgetmac, you have a nice day, and in future I’ll try to be more considerate of your feelings, wouldn’t want to give you a reason to deflect from the point now would we.....

Crammed a lot in there for someone who's not after the last word 166

Deflection, Turbobloke, my feelings, last word warriors, 5 4 3 2 1 etc...

And I'm deflecting?

I'll tell you what, you name the threads that have been shut down because of me and for each I'll post a link to two where you've stalked me old chap...

I'll wait.

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[GroundZero]

The current left wing progressive revolutionary march that has tried to take hold over recent years tells us that as whites we should be ashamed of our history, we should hate our western capitalist countries and we should move towards marxism as a solution to all problems surrounding race and equality.

But as the statement "black lives matter" is a strap line spouted to 'solve racism', the strap line "white lives don't matter" is apparently also to be promoted. Even though this is a clear despicable racist comment. Unbelievable hypocrisy then that such racism on the progressive left will get you a promotion:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8460059/C...

I think the debate for me at least has run its course and the BLM movement has morphed in to the typical antifa far-left agenda with its usual racist attitudes to whites and Jews which are not going to solve anything, but rather create further divisions in society based on racism.

I wish there were other leaders apart from Trump who have the guts to say "enough is enough". Its now clearly a far-left movement intent on destroying society in favour of anarchy and the ongoing anti-capitalist agenda.