45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
p1stonhead said:
If Biden loses the democrats should never even bother trying again.
It’s an open goal at this point.
On that we agree. The Dems picked a safe, experienced option rather than gamble on a younger candidate. Maybe next time, I see Biden just standing one termIt’s an open goal at this point.
A sort of political Neil Warnock.
voyds9 said:
Isn't that what Leicester said, more testing has shown their spike.
One can test 330 million people and not find one positive case. US is testing a lot and finding more cases compared to number of tests made. IIRR at one point 5% of tests were positive. Now they test more but also up to 16% of tests are positive. If percentage had gone down from 5% when number of tests were increased then all would be good. Since it has gone up that much that is very serious problem which will show up in intensive care week or two from now. It will go away one day. Not soon though and Trump needs to send many tweets to turn situation around.
Lentilist said:
Interesting stuff. I'm curious how things like conspiracy theory and the Infowars / Icke / QAnon etc. worldview fit into that? Appreciate the "conspirasphere" isn't a single thing, and there are all sorts of different narratives that may or may not overlap, but anecdotally, it does seem that men of a certain age seem very prone to going down that rabbit hole? I know people who are decently intelligent and were previously politically very middle of the road (apologetically vote Lib Dem every four years, don't bother in local elections sort of thing), yet several of them seemed to plunge off down the Prison Planet / Infowars path when they hit a certain age. I can see how pace of change in a socially liberal direction could outstrip those in the centre ground and make that position look more right wing, but that wouldn't explain people actively getting drawn into the fringe and more more right wing parts of the conspiracy world? It seems that some people react to increasingly liberal social norms by vehemently reacting against the shift, rather than just staying in place? Those that have that reaction are then radicalised into it by those within that world view. There's definitely an almost spiritual quest character to a lot of it, especially when you really dig into the QAnon stuff.
Completely agree. It seems to fill a void in their lives, Also there's a strong whiff of cultism to the the Trumpists, evidenced by their ability to rationalise his most craven anti-American or generally misanthropic behaviours.minimoog said:
Lentilist said:
Interesting stuff. I'm curious how things like conspiracy theory and the Infowars / Icke / QAnon etc. worldview fit into that? Appreciate the "conspirasphere" isn't a single thing, and there are all sorts of different narratives that may or may not overlap, but anecdotally, it does seem that men of a certain age seem very prone to going down that rabbit hole? I know people who are decently intelligent and were previously politically very middle of the road (apologetically vote Lib Dem every four years, don't bother in local elections sort of thing), yet several of them seemed to plunge off down the Prison Planet / Infowars path when they hit a certain age. I can see how pace of change in a socially liberal direction could outstrip those in the centre ground and make that position look more right wing, but that wouldn't explain people actively getting drawn into the fringe and more more right wing parts of the conspiracy world? It seems that some people react to increasingly liberal social norms by vehemently reacting against the shift, rather than just staying in place? Those that have that reaction are then radicalised into it by those within that world view. There's definitely an almost spiritual quest character to a lot of it, especially when you really dig into the QAnon stuff.
Completely agree. It seems to fill a void in their lives, Also there's a strong whiff of cultism to the the Trumpists, evidenced by their ability to rationalise his most craven anti-American or generally misanthropic behaviours.928 GTS said:
voyds9 said:
Isn't that what Leicester said, more testing has shown their spike.
One can test 330 million people and not find one positive case. US is testing a lot and finding more cases compared to number of tests made. IIRR at one point 5% of tests were positive. Now they test more but also up to 16% of tests are positive. If percentage had gone down from 5% when number of tests were increased then all would be good. Since it has gone up that much that is very serious problem which will show up in intensive care week or two from now. It will go away one day. Not soon though and Trump needs to send many tweets to turn situation around.It's not always that more testing shows a higher result, only if people are positive. What it does is expose the problem.
John Hopkins is tracking testing, and in fact have a graph that shows that despite the large increase in testing, it doesn't directly correspond with the increase in people infected.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-sta...
What is needed to be looked at is the percentage positive by states, look at the states that opened early
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overvi...
Arizona 25%,
Florida approx 18%
Nevada, South Carolina, Alabama, Texas all around 15%
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overvi...
As a whole they are running just over 5% positive, but it's not under control in those states that opened early
Florida hit another new record of cases yesterday
Guidelines from the World Health Organization say countries should aim to test one out of every 1,000 residents each week and should see less than 5% of those tests come back positive for at least two consecutive weeks before they begin to relax social distancing and other public health measures.
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/public-hea...
So the US has finally reached those levels, in spite of trump, not because, as he's walked away from it and handed over to the state governors.
Edit: Remember, just like in January, trump is trying to claim "We have it totally under control," , or in Feb "The Coronavirus is very much under control.", something he's repeatedly claimed.
Highest ever number of cases in the US yesterday, the 7 day trend doesn't look good.
Just this week
TRUMP, describing the COVID-19 threat as “getting under control”: “Some (places) were doing very well, and we thought they (the virus) may be gone and they flare up, and we’re putting out the fires.” — remarks Thursday on a jobs report.
TRUMP: “I think we are going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that, at some point, that’s going to sort of just disappear, I hope.” — interview Wednesday on Fox Business Network.
THE FACTS: “The virus is not going to disappear,” says Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert. Nor can it be considered “under control” as cases have been surging to fresh daily highs.
https://apnews.com/974af40470d6ff914fd55963c9b0610...
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 5th July 07:09
JonChalk said:
So.........Kanye West running for president.
Thoughts:
1. f
k me, the US is fked.
2. If genuine, then can't possibly help Biden in any way, and doesn't hurt Trump in the slightest - tinfoil hat time, given West's prior vociferous support for Trump?
Ye you mean?Thoughts:
1. f
k me, the US is fked.2. If genuine, then can't possibly help Biden in any way, and doesn't hurt Trump in the slightest - tinfoil hat time, given West's prior vociferous support for Trump?
The states where Kanye is already too late to get on the ballot include Texas, New York, and Illinois, three of the top six in terms of electoral college votes. There are several other deadlines coming up in the next couple weeks.
ye
@kanyewest
We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States #2020VISION
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1279575273365...
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Replying to
@kanyewest
You have my full support!
Remember Kanye West saying slavery was a choice?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4397090...
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 5th July 07:18
Five Americans who flew by private jet to the Mediterranean island of Sardinia were refused entry to Italy on Wednesday due to new EU travel restrictions on countries with high coronavirus infection rates.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/americans-d...
To be fair they probably didn't realise Italy or Sardina were in the EU...
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/americans-d...
To be fair they probably didn't realise Italy or Sardina were in the EU...
Seventy said:
If anyone is still unsure of exactly how monumentally thick Trump is....
Oh there's plenty of waysPresident Trump: "We will defend, protect, and preserve American way of life -- which began in 1492 when Columbus discovered America."
Fact Check
Columbus didn’t “discover” America — he never set foot in North America.
During four separate trips that started with the one in 1492, Columbus landed on various Caribbean islands that are now the Bahamas as well as the island later called Hispaniola. He also explored the Central and South American coasts. But he didn’t reach North America, which, of course, was already inhabited by Native Americans, and he never thought he had found a new continent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/w...
trump still has done nothing about the russian bounty other than to deny and delay - same as he did with CV-19, Ukraine, Russian assistance, his illegal campaign payments to women etc...
Now his team are continuing to cover for him, yet he knows now but still no action. Remember after a Senate briefing many said it was credible intelligence, backed by identified, credible sources and
The CIA knew. The State Department knew. Senior congressional officials and the British government were briefed. So how could it be that nobody told the president?
White House officials offered a new wrinkle Wednesday in their explanation of why President Donald Trump wasn't informed about intelligence collected this year that suggested that the Russians were paying the Taliban to kill Americans, even though officials in both the U.S. and the U.K. were aware of the reporting.
White House national security adviser Robert O'Brien said it was the decision of the president's intelligence briefer.
The briefer, a career CIA analyst, "decided not to brief him because it was unverified intelligence," O'Brien said on Fox News. "And, by the way, she is an outstanding officer, and, knowing all the facts I know, I certainly support her decision."
Current and former officials said Trump usually doesn't read his briefing material. Trump called the reports of Russians' paying bounties to kill Americans a "made up Fake News Media Hoax started to slander me & the Republican Party." He added, "I was never briefed because any info that they may have had did not rise to that level."
Many people are saying that the idea that Trump's briefer, a career government bureaucrat, decided to keep him out of the loop isn't credible.
or worse...
"I believe ... his staff was afraid to tell him about it for fear he would erupt and do something damaging, like calling Putin and tipping him off," said Jeffrey Smith, a former general counsel to the CIA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security...
All House Foreign Affairs Democrats have sent a letter to to Secretary Pompeo "demanding answers from the Trump Admin on what it knew about the Russian plot to provide payments to Taliban-linked militants to kill American and NATO coalition forces."
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/1/e/...
Now his team are continuing to cover for him, yet he knows now but still no action. Remember after a Senate briefing many said it was credible intelligence, backed by identified, credible sources and
The CIA knew. The State Department knew. Senior congressional officials and the British government were briefed. So how could it be that nobody told the president?
White House officials offered a new wrinkle Wednesday in their explanation of why President Donald Trump wasn't informed about intelligence collected this year that suggested that the Russians were paying the Taliban to kill Americans, even though officials in both the U.S. and the U.K. were aware of the reporting.
White House national security adviser Robert O'Brien said it was the decision of the president's intelligence briefer.
The briefer, a career CIA analyst, "decided not to brief him because it was unverified intelligence," O'Brien said on Fox News. "And, by the way, she is an outstanding officer, and, knowing all the facts I know, I certainly support her decision."
Current and former officials said Trump usually doesn't read his briefing material. Trump called the reports of Russians' paying bounties to kill Americans a "made up Fake News Media Hoax started to slander me & the Republican Party." He added, "I was never briefed because any info that they may have had did not rise to that level."
Many people are saying that the idea that Trump's briefer, a career government bureaucrat, decided to keep him out of the loop isn't credible.
or worse...
"I believe ... his staff was afraid to tell him about it for fear he would erupt and do something damaging, like calling Putin and tipping him off," said Jeffrey Smith, a former general counsel to the CIA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security...
All House Foreign Affairs Democrats have sent a letter to to Secretary Pompeo "demanding answers from the Trump Admin on what it knew about the Russian plot to provide payments to Taliban-linked militants to kill American and NATO coalition forces."
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/1/e/...
No track and trace or isolation for the trumps
Here’s Kim Guilfoyle speaking at an indoor event in South Dakota, no masks in sight, that was also attended by Kristi Noem the day before it was announced Guilfoyle tested positive for Covid
https://twitter.com/i/status/1279404329124986886
Gov. Noem attended last night's celebration at Mt. Rushmore. She also personally greeted the president and first lady when Air Force One landed in South Dakota last night.
Here’s Kim Guilfoyle speaking at an indoor event in South Dakota, no masks in sight, that was also attended by Kristi Noem the day before it was announced Guilfoyle tested positive for Covid
https://twitter.com/i/status/1279404329124986886
Gov. Noem attended last night's celebration at Mt. Rushmore. She also personally greeted the president and first lady when Air Force One landed in South Dakota last night.
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