Will you send your kids back to school?

Will you send your kids back to school?

Poll: Will you send your kids back to school?

Total Members Polled: 182

Yes, definitely: 79%
Yes, probably: 5%
Don't know: 5%
Probably not: 1%
Definitely not: 9%
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sim72

4,945 posts

133 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
So should we close down shops then, as the staff in them come face to face with a lot more people every day?
A moment's thought would tell you that this is not a relevant comparison.

Checkout people do not spend six hours with all of their customers, and they're usually doing it from behind a plastic screen.

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,634 posts

212 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Trophy Husband said:
There's a huge difference between the behaviours of adults and children. Hopefully.
Schools are known to be hubs of infection for other illnesses. Always have been always will be.
Seems to me that many people are just considering the health of their kids and shrugging their shoulders because as we know only a handful of under 11 year olds have died and apparently with underlying health issues.
Your kids get it, no big deal. They're asymptomatic so you don't know. Great. You get it, maybe no big deal. You don't know you've got it but have been all over the place, maybe to see your elderly parents or neighbours. Many of them may get it and don't know because they're asymptomatic. Big deal.
That is the problem.
The solution to that problem? Keep shielding the vulnerable.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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sim72 said:
DoubleD said:
So should we close down shops then, as the staff in them come face to face with a lot more people every day?
Checkout people do not spend six hours with all of their customers, and they're usually doing it from behind a plastic screen.
Not everyone works on a checkout. Lots of workers are at a much greater risk than teachers.

sim72

4,945 posts

133 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
Not everyone works on a checkout. Lots of workers are at a much greater risk than teachers.
Oh, that's OK then.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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sim72 said:
DoubleD said:
Not everyone works on a checkout. Lots of workers are at a much greater risk than teachers.
Oh, that's OK then.
Its not ok, but life must go on.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Kermit power said:
Trophy Husband said:
There's a huge difference between the behaviours of adults and children. Hopefully.
Schools are known to be hubs of infection for other illnesses. Always have been always will be.
Seems to me that many people are just considering the health of their kids and shrugging their shoulders because as we know only a handful of under 11 year olds have died and apparently with underlying health issues.
Your kids get it, no big deal. They're asymptomatic so you don't know. Great. You get it, maybe no big deal. You don't know you've got it but have been all over the place, maybe to see your elderly parents or neighbours. Many of them may get it and don't know because they're asymptomatic. Big deal.
That is the problem.
The solution to that problem? Keep shielding the vulnerable.
I don't disagree. But there are many economically functional adults with children. I'm asthmatic but for my age, as fit as a butcher's dog. Do I not see my children for months? Is missing school more detrimental to their wellbeing than not seeing me? They're 8 and 9 year old boys. I'm 53 in a week.
The crux is that one size does not fit all.
This isn't a "I'll think about me and mine" situation. It is much more coloured than that. Whilst many have a binary approach this is very much a non- binary predicament which we are all sharing.
It isn't a great leap of thought to do a Kevin Bacon analogy.
Question: "Who can be affected badly by my current choices?"
If the answer is "One or more people that I love or care about" then surely the decision is made?
My wife is a Team Leader in CAMHS in a home care setting trying to interrupt/prevent admissions of adolescents into ward care. She is currently overwhelmed, with fewer staff due to parenting issues of her staff.
Her view? She is torn between our family and these children's needs. She sleeps 3 to 4 hours a night because of worry about both situations. This is the reality for many, including our educators.
Whilst many people are inward thinking, simplistic in their binary view, others, with the skills and knowledge of reality are juggling 8 balls with one hand tied behind their backs and most importantly suffering from guilt, doubt and probably regret.
Go easy on our teachers. Some are crap but most are good. All IMHO.


RammyMP

6,729 posts

152 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Catz said:
RammyMP said:
My wife’s a teacher, well she will be for another 3 weeks then after 22 years at the same school she’s packing it in. Most teachers have been carrying on, doing their job with the worry that one of the kids will pass the virus on to them.
Do you mind me asking if your wife is moving to a different type of work? Or is she just retiring early?
I’ve been teaching 25 years now and I’m also thinking about packing it in.
She’s had enough so she’s semi retiring. Her head as partial pushed her out to replace her with a NQT on less money to help balance the books.

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
a lot of people go to work with the worry that someone will pass on the virus to them, and a lot of them come into contact with with huge amounts of people each day. But business carries on, the schools should be the same.
Of course the risk to those that you mention in the first sentence will increase exponentially once the schools go back, just based on the potential exposure to people who become exposed. I know a few people who dont even have kids that are pretty worried about it for exactly this reason.
At the minute, their exposure to non symptomatic spreaders is quite rare, but with many kids being asymptomatic if they catch it, (if you believe the Govt), that will certainly change by October..! !

FWIW I think the schools should offer proper homeschooling, video lessons etc, to those that would prefer it, and free up physical space in the schools to make it safer for those that need to or want to attend in person. It just seems to make common sense to me, but when did that come into anything !!

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
sim72 said:
DoubleD said:
So should we close down shops then, as the staff in them come face to face with a lot more people every day?
Checkout people do not spend six hours with all of their customers, and they're usually doing it from behind a plastic screen.
Not everyone works on a checkout. Lots of workers are at a much greater risk than teachers.
Just to say that a woman who looks to be in her late fifties, early sixties has been stacking the shelves in my local Coop throughout and daily coming into close proximity to hundreds of customers.

My wife is classed as a key worker and she has been going into an air conditioned office (one of the high risk environments) throughout.

Meanwhile teachers in the twenties, thirties and early forties want to hide under their beds as if they are special and no-one else has been at any risk in their own workplaces.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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JagLover said:
Just to say that a woman who looks to be in her late fifties, early sixties has been stacking the shelves in my local Coop throughout and daily coming into close proximity to hundreds of customers.

My wife is classed as a key worker and she has been going into an air conditioned office (one of the high risk environments) throughout.

Meanwhile teachers in the twenties, thirties and early forties want to hide under their beds as if they are special and no-one else has been at any risk in their own workplaces.
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Trophy Husband said:
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.
Lets leave out the dramatics.

Why is it more significant than an outbreak elsewhere?

MaxFromage

1,858 posts

130 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Trophy Husband said:
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.
Does it have more significance?

There are quite a few studies of track and trace that found no transmission from children. Can anyone to provide me with a study that found transmission from children to adults?

What about the children who have been back at school for weeks or months all over Europe. Where are the stories of all those outbreaks?

sim72

4,945 posts

133 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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JagLover said:
Meanwhile teachers in the twenties, thirties and early forties want to hide under their beds as if they are special and no-one else has been at any risk in their own workplaces.
No they don't, FFS. Most of them have already been in schools for the last sixteen weeks.

We're talking about teachers in their 50s and 60s, diabetics, asthmatics, and those who have people like that at home.

Let's not forget that from August the Government not only doesn't even think anyone in vulnerable categories should be shielding at all, but it also thinks those people should be in high-risk workplaces.







Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
Trophy Husband said:
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.
Lets leave out the dramatics.

Why is it more significant than an outbreak elsewhere?
FFS. Bang my head on a wall again! Levels of duty of care? Shall I say it again? Once more for the hard of hearing/illiterate?
Differing levels of duty of care.
Statutory ones.
And breathe.......

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Trophy Husband said:
DoubleD said:
Trophy Husband said:
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.
Lets leave out the dramatics.

Why is it more significant than an outbreak elsewhere?
FFS. Bang my head on a wall again! Levels of duty of care? Shall I say it again? Once more for the hard of hearing/illiterate?
Differing levels of duty of care.
Statutory ones.
And breathe.......
Lets not go down the name calling route, it never helps an argument.

Where is the duty of care while they are at home getting no schooling?

They should be back at school, its the best place for them.

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,634 posts

212 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Trophy Husband said:
DoubleD said:
Trophy Husband said:
FFS. It isn't about the teachers. It is about their higher level of duty of care, and the LA that runs the school. Bang my head on the wall please?
An outbreak attributable to a school has far greater significance than one in effing Tesco which, let's face it, is untraceable.
There is some proper tup logic here.
I really do despair.
Lets leave out the dramatics.

Why is it more significant than an outbreak elsewhere?
FFS. Bang my head on a wall again! Levels of duty of care? Shall I say it again? Once more for the hard of hearing/illiterate?
Differing levels of duty of care.
Statutory ones.
And breathe.......
I don't get it. The last time I looked, fewer than a dozen school aged pupils have died.

You're quite right... Teachers have an enhanced duty of care to the kids in their charge. Those kids are at greater risk of harm if they stay off school than if they go back, yet you continue to argue that they shouldn't go back.

nails1979

592 posts

140 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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My local school is an academy in a heavy labour area. They've been posting once or twice a day on Facebook since the start and every single post has some sort of political stick it to the man type crap. They've stayed open for the key workers but made it so difficult to pick them up and drop them off aswell aswell as closing early on Friday to 'deep clean'. Obviously you can't deep clean on a weekend then. Because of this there's not many kids going at all
The work that has come home is pitiful.
Luckily atm I'm furloughed, the wife is about to start working from home for the foreseeable but I'd imagine I'll be getting called back to work soon. I've also got pretty bad COPD so have been shielding.
I've an 8 and a 4 year old at home. The 4 year is extremely difficult to look after as she needs much more attention and need to be playing with others.
The 8 year old is also becoming difficult to get to do the 2 15 min lessons a day. I'm 40 and it's also hard to help as with his math you need to show working out etc and it's all different since I was at school. When you've done something for so long in your head it's hard to go back and inadvertently I've also got him doing better at math but hes doing in his head aswell and need to show workings out for Mark's later on I'd expect.
The wife's parents usually look after ours during school holidays however they're in their 70's and fit, but wont even come to the door to talk to the kids and do it through the window instead as they're too scared.

scrubchub

1,844 posts

139 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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JagLover said:
Meanwhile teachers in the twenties, thirties and early forties want to hide under their beds as if they are special and no-one else has been at any risk in their own workplaces.
Where do you get this st from? I'm a teacher in my thirties and have been in school throughout lockdown. Plus more hours at home. Every person who keeps in contact from my PGCE (over one hundred) is the same or on a rota of one week in, one week out, and then running their classes from home. Every member of staff at school has been in one out of two weeks while also running their class. Since primary school had been back then every member of staff is back 100%. The last school I worked in is the same as mine. That is a sample of more than 150 teachers and a good few teaching assistants. What are you talking about? It is insulting nonsense and you are being dishonest even suggesting that is the case.

But every time I see you post you seem like a complete , no matter what the topic, so I'm not surprised you'd also be a about this.