Has David Starkey gone mad?
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The historian has always seemed irascible and cantankerous, but now he has said that slavery was not genocide (a reasonable point) because ‘so many damn blacks survived’.
I think I know what he was trying to convey - that slavery was not genocide because there was no attempt to wipe out a race. That is a perfectly defendable position. But ‘damn blacks’? He has just committed professional suicide. I doubt we will hear much from him again.
I think I know what he was trying to convey - that slavery was not genocide because there was no attempt to wipe out a race. That is a perfectly defendable position. But ‘damn blacks’? He has just committed professional suicide. I doubt we will hear much from him again.
Europa1 said:
For those of us that missed it, when and on what channel was this?
My channel listings are by channel name, not the proclivities of the owner.
Search for David Starkey on Twitter and you’ll find the video. It was aired by a platform called Reasoned which is the pet project of the other person mentioned on here.My channel listings are by channel name, not the proclivities of the owner.
Genocide is not the total wiping out of an ethnic group. I'm sure Starkey knows this, but I'm not sure it would stop him going for publicity.
There are arguments that the slave trade was not genocide for various reasons but none are supported by the figures for those who survived.
He thrives on his reputation for being offensive. I remember him attacking Victoria Coren-Mitchell on a programme, presumably question time, and she dealt with it remarkably well, giving him a rather delicate slapping down that made him look like a naughty schoolboy. It was a great tactic and he seems the type to be hurt when looking ineffectual. He was beaten by a woman. He was beaten by someone with Jewish ancestry. He had the decency to look angry.
The etymological derivation of the word genocide gives a clear clue as to what it means.
I've read a few of Starkey's books and he does come up with interesting ideas but they all seem to be picked because they are rather contrary to what most people think, and what most people think is good taste. That doesn't mean they are wrong of course, just similarly motivated.
There are arguments that the slave trade was not genocide for various reasons but none are supported by the figures for those who survived.
He thrives on his reputation for being offensive. I remember him attacking Victoria Coren-Mitchell on a programme, presumably question time, and she dealt with it remarkably well, giving him a rather delicate slapping down that made him look like a naughty schoolboy. It was a great tactic and he seems the type to be hurt when looking ineffectual. He was beaten by a woman. He was beaten by someone with Jewish ancestry. He had the decency to look angry.
The etymological derivation of the word genocide gives a clear clue as to what it means.
I've read a few of Starkey's books and he does come up with interesting ideas but they all seem to be picked because they are rather contrary to what most people think, and what most people think is good taste. That doesn't mean they are wrong of course, just similarly motivated.
MrBarry123 said:
Europa1 said:
For those of us that missed it, when and on what channel was this?
My channel listings are by channel name, not the proclivities of the owner.
Search for David Starkey on Twitter and you’ll find the video. It was aired by a platform called Reasoned which is the pet project of the other person mentioned on here.My channel listings are by channel name, not the proclivities of the owner.
Dr Jekyll said:
MrBarry123 said:
And now the criminal whose channel this was aired on is trying to say he didn’t agree with what was said, even though he sat and nodded all the way through.
They’re nothing but a pathetic couple of racists.
It's standard for interviewers to sit down, and when an interviewer nods it just means 'carry on talking',They’re nothing but a pathetic couple of racists.
Who is the criminal by the way?
Mazinbrum said:
MrBarry123 said:
Search for David Starkey on Twitter and you’ll find the video. It was aired by a platform called Reasoned which is the pet project of the other person mentioned on here.
Harry Enfield?To me he seemed to come across like Tory Boy, the Harry Enfield Character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul1vCdzNIoI&t=...
Here's Grimes interviewing Starkey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tVjZ9hA4SQ
I didn't know somebody interrupted some servicemen cleaning graffiti off of a war memorial. News to me.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 2nd July 20:12
Always get starkey mixed up with Simon Schama the other one that was always on the bbc. Will be even more difficult now as they both seem to spew hate.
What is it about the bbc?
All the knee jerking will mean even less of their pompous history show can be repeated.
Lots of jewish people all over the world so does that mean nazis in ww2 cant be classed as genocidal then?
What is it about the bbc?
All the knee jerking will mean even less of their pompous history show can be repeated.
Lots of jewish people all over the world so does that mean nazis in ww2 cant be classed as genocidal then?
Grimes deleted thousands of tweets recently.
https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/127333053...
And don't really know what to do with this. Trying to blame big firms and cropping screen shots.
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/127575840...
https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/127333053...
And don't really know what to do with this. Trying to blame big firms and cropping screen shots.
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/127575840...
Fundoreen said:
Always get starkey mixed up with Simon Schama the other one that was always on the bbc. Will be even more difficult now as they both seem to spew hate.
What is it about the bbc?
All the knee jerking will mean even less of their pompous history show can be repeated.
Lots of jewish people all over the world so does that mean nazis in ww2 cant be classed as genocidal then?
I would advise you get a dictionary.What is it about the bbc?
All the knee jerking will mean even less of their pompous history show can be repeated.
Lots of jewish people all over the world so does that mean nazis in ww2 cant be classed as genocidal then?
On that [alone] he is totally correct, Slavery was not Genocide.
Genocide is genocide and the Slave Trade was Slavery, the main goal of both are fundamentally different.
Genocide being used to describe Slavery is one of three things
1.Said by people who are just thick
2 Said to try and make a bad thing a worse thing when it cannot be worse, this takes you back to thick.
3.Said to diminish the act of Genocide, I will leave why for you to contemplate.
Zirconia said:
I am sure all those poor souls that have been abused and killed for generations and traded like cattle by people like those that end up in Bristol docks will like to know a dictionary is the definition they need.
Slavery and Genocide are both bad things. It does not make them the same bad thing. Zirconia said:
I am sure all those poor souls that have been abused and killed for generations and traded like cattle by people like those that end up in Bristol docks will like to know a dictionary is the definition they need.
Language is important and it uses words to describe things, without it/them we talk gibberish...as you have just done.This is green, you may wish to call it red or pink, but it is called green because that is the word we use for green things.
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