Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.

[and31]

rxe said:

The guy drove off from a police stop for God’s sake. What on earth do you expect the police to do when someone has just driven off? Write them a letter? The conflict was escalated, big time, by the driver. All the police knew was they were dealing with the sort of person who runs from them. That’s not normal behaviour amongst law abiding people. The only rational reason to drive off from a stop is:

- you’re so fked on drugs or booze that you think it is a good idea
- you’ve got something more serious In the car than whatever charges will come from trying to run

In both cases, batons drawn and cuffs seem a bare minimum to me.

IMO the police should charge them with failing to stop or whatever they can throw at them. They seem to be a pair of entitled pricks who think the rules don’t apply to them.

Couldn’t agree more

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rxe said:

biggbn said:

I would not have entertained getting out of the car with an aggressive looking cop a few feet from the door with a raised baton. Engine off, door locked, window cracked down an inch or so and politely enquire what the problem is. Request offocer to back up, explain kid and Mrs in back of car and happy to step out under those circumstances. Yes I'm aware that the driver did none of those things, but both parties, in my opinion, could have handled this so much better. Only. My. Opinion. Body language and stance is hugely important when dealing with conflict and confrontational verbal or body language will, most times, engender a confrontational reaction. Perhaps the cop had no option left, i dont know, perhaps the footage is sympathetically cut, we shall see. I'm only going on what i have for now, who knows what comes out in the wash.

The guy drove off from a police stop for God’s sake. What on earth do you expect the police to do when someone has just driven off? Write them a letter? The conflict was escalated, big time, by the driver. All the police knew was they were dealing with the sort of person who runs from them. That’s not normal behaviour amongst law abiding people. The only rational reason to drive off from a stop is:

- you’re so fked on drugs or booze that you think it is a good idea
- you’ve got something more serious In the car than whatever charges will come from trying to run

In both cases, batons drawn and cuffs seem a bare minimum to me.

IMO the police should charge them with failing to stop or whatever they can throw at them. They seem to be a pair of entitled pricks who think the rules don’t apply to them.

Ive already posted that I wonder why tthe driver wasnt reported for any offences - perhaps the offences werent made out? I

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Crop from a still doing the rounds on the net. May be from the pub cctv mentioned in another post. Windscreen and front side windows appear clear - not tinted

[biggbn]

Bigends said:

Crop from a still doing the rounds on the net. May be from the pub cctv mentioned in another post. Windscreen and front side windows appear clear - not tinted

miss Williams made the claim in an interview i read that the car was as Mercedes had made it. Somebody posted a picture of the car earlier (claimed) that made it look like it was all blacked out? Who is telling the truth?

[DoubleD]

So did the drive on the wrong side of the road or not?

[Mort7]

DoubleD said:

Mort7 said:

DoubleD said:

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s1962a said:

Brads67 said:

Gammon is a racist term isn't it?.

No it's not. This was discussed at length in other threads.

And there was no consensus. I consider gammon to be a deliberately provocative and racist term. The difference is that I believe it reflects rather more badly on those using it than the receipients. Rather like any racist language.

Some say it is, some say it isnt. Thats why it was discussed at length.

But you stated above, unequivocally, that it wasn't considered to be racist. That was untrue.

Whether or not language is considered to be insulting is determined by the recipient, not the individual making the insult. If it is made clear that an individual finds a particular phrase which is aimed at them with the intention to cause insult, unacceptable, and the individual making the insult continues to use it, then that pretty much identifies that individual as a dick - doesn't it?

That was my first comment on this thread.

You're quite right. I misquoted you. My apologies.

I do stand by the sentiment though.

[and31]

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

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biggbn said:

Bigends said:

Crop from a still doing the rounds on the net. May be from the pub cctv mentioned in another post. Windscreen and front side windows appear clear - not tinted

miss Williams made the claim in an interview i read that the car was as Mercedes had made it. Somebody posted a picture of the car earlier (claimed) that made it look like it was all blacked out? Who is telling the truth?

Possible to see clearly into the front of the car plus through the screen and through the drivers window

[biggbn]

anonymous said:

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So, Windows not tinted out then. That changes a lot if the reasoning for the raised baton doesn't it? That is a question by the way, not a smart comment. A lot of you guys have more experience of actual policing which is why i ask. The heavy tints have been used several times as a valid reason for the officers stance, yet the car does appear to be Mercedes standard after all...which means Williams was telling the truth about that anyway.

What was the picture of the blacked out Merc earlier? If it was only an example the poster shoukd have made that clear?

[R Mutt]

Did the police refer to the tints or just the people suggesting they were illegal tints?

[philv]

and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Apparently they decided the police are racist and they can therefore ignore tnem.

It'll all be fine when BLM abolish the police, and of course capitalism.

[biggbn]

R Mutt said:

Did the police refer to the tints or just the people suggesting they were illegal tints?

No it has been posters on here using the tints to justify the way the kid with the baton conducted himself after the stop. Again, this might be standard procedure regardless, God knows these guys gotta make sure of their safety, i know that . Just a bad look unfortunately.

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and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Do we know what the order to 'stop' actually looked like? Officer in the road with hand raised, blue lights and flashing from behind? or merely a wave from the carrier as ive seen mentioned

[V6Alfisti]

Bigends said:

Crop from a still doing the rounds on the net. May be from the pub cctv mentioned in another post. Windscreen and front side windows appear clear - not tinted

That looks to be near the Union Tavern in westbourne park, quite often people will cross over onto the other side of the road (on the bridge) then turn off down there. Reason being the traffic backs up massively at the lights from harrow road.

I am not sure if the driving on the wrong side of the road is still in contention, but if it is that would be my guess.

[biggbn]

Bigends said:

and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Do we know what the order to 'stop' actually looked like? Officer in the road with hand raised, blue lights and flashing from behind? or merely a wave from the carrier as ive seen mentioned

Let's face it, we know nothing as this latest photo shows. Its all conjecture, my feelings and anyone else's.

[and31]

Bigends said:

and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Do we know what the order to 'stop' actually looked like? Officer in the road with hand raised, blue lights and flashing from behind? or merely a wave from the carrier as ive seen mentioned

Really?!! On every single occasion I’ve been stopped-and there has been a few-I’ve known that I’m being pulled.
Stop making excuses ffs

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V6Alfisti said:

Bigends said:

Crop from a still doing the rounds on the net. May be from the pub cctv mentioned in another post. Windscreen and front side windows appear clear - not tinted

That looks to be near the Union Tavern in westbourne park, quite often people will cross over onto the other side of the road (on the bridge) then turn off down there. Reason being the traffic backs up massively at the lights from harrow road.

I am not sure if the driving on the wrong side of the road is still in contention, but if it is that would be my guess.

It is. The Police van has just turned right into the road. The junction is at the end of the old dark building

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and31 said:

Bigends said:

and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Do we know what the order to 'stop' actually looked like? Officer in the road with hand raised, blue lights and flashing from behind? or merely a wave from the carrier as ive seen mentioned

Really?!! On every single occasion I’ve been stopped-and there has been a few-I’ve known that I’m being pulled.
Stop making excuses ffs

Why not do him for failing to stop then?

[Greendubber]

anonymous said:

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[and31]

Bigends said:

and31 said:

Bigends said:

and31 said:

If they had just stopped when first pulled,like any reasonable person would,we wouldn’t be having any of this bks.

Do we know what the order to 'stop' actually looked like? Officer in the road with hand raised, blue lights and flashing from behind? or merely a wave from the carrier as ive seen mentioned

Really?!! On every single occasion I’ve been stopped-and there has been a few-I’ve known that I’m being pulled.
Stop making excuses ffs

Why not do him for failing to stop then?

Hopefully they will.