Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.

Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.

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g4ry13

16,979 posts

255 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Cressida dick is an utter liability. She ticks a few of the diversity boxes but is utter crap at her job.

She needs to be sacked.

Earthdweller

13,538 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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wjb said:
Earthdweller said:
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certain criminal sections of society are more likely to commit certain types of crime.

Young black males who happen to be criminals and violent street crime being one such subset
Fixed that for you...
You fixed nothing and misrepresented what I said in doing so

I’ll be more explicit for the hard of understanding

Different racial groups are more likely to commit different types of crime.

Certain crimes are committed by different age groups

It does not hold scrutiny that if you commit a crime you will be a criminal for life

Many people from all sections of society can commit offences, and even have periods of imprisonment and go on to become upstanding law abiding citizens

smile

anonymoususer

5,809 posts

48 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Hopefully Cressida Dick can organise a nice Metropolitan Police vs Team GB athletics show
A few hands can be shaken and she can mention that the Audi is a jolly nice car but looks better without tinted windows,
And all will be well

stuarthat

1,049 posts

218 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Earthdweller said:
wjb said:
Earthdweller said:
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certain criminal sections of society are more likely to commit certain types of crime.

Young black males who happen to be criminals and violent street crime being one such subset
Fixed that for you...
You fixed nothing and misrepresented what I said in doing so

I’ll be more explicit for the hard of understanding

Different racial groups are more likely to commit different types of crime.

Certain crimes are committed by different age groups

It does not hold scrutiny that if you commit a crime you will be a criminal for life

Many people from all sections of society can commit offences, and even have periods of imprisonment and go on to become upstanding law abiding citizens

Possibly but if you are a victim it a little to late .

wjb

5,100 posts

131 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Earthdweller said:
wjb said:
Earthdweller said:
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certain criminal sections of society are more likely to commit certain types of crime.

Young black males who happen to be criminals and violent street crime being one such subset
Fixed that for you...
You fixed nothing and misrepresented what I said in doing so

I’ll be more explicit for the hard of understanding

Different racial groups are more likely to commit different types of crime.

Certain crimes are committed by different age groups

It does not hold scrutiny that if you commit a crime you will be a criminal for life

Many people from all sections of society can commit offences, and even have periods of imprisonment and go on to become upstanding law abiding citizens

smile
"The hard of understanding" ? have you heard yourself? laugh

I've read your posts, I understand you perfectly well, and you haven't got a clue.



Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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anonymoususer said:
A few hands can be shaken and she can mention that the Audi is a jolly nice car but looks better without tinted windows,
And all will be well
Audi ?

Hang your head in shame, hand in your PH membership immediately and mind the door doesn't hit you on the arse on the way out.

So, anyway, this area where the stop took place, is there a high percentage of black people who live there ?

Pothole

34,367 posts

282 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Red 4 said:
anonymoususer said:
A few hands can be shaken and she can mention that the Audi is a jolly nice car but looks better without tinted windows,
And all will be well
Audi ?

Hang your head in shame, hand in your PH membership immediately and mind the door doesn't hit you on the arse on the way out.

So, anyway, this area where the stop took place, is there a high percentage of black people who live there ?
Not especially. Why?

popeyewhite

19,856 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Pothole said:
Red 4 said:
anonymoususer said:
A few hands can be shaken and she can mention that the Audi is a jolly nice car but looks better without tinted windows,
And all will be well
Audi ?

Hang your head in shame, hand in your PH membership immediately and mind the door doesn't hit you on the arse on the way out.

So, anyway, this area where the stop took place, is there a high percentage of black people who live there ?
Not especially. Why?
Also apparently it's 'Black' now. Capital B. Maybe it always was B. Don't think so though.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Pothole said:
Red 4 said:
anonymoususer said:
A few hands can be shaken and she can mention that the Audi is a jolly nice car but looks better without tinted windows,
And all will be well
Audi ?

Hang your head in shame, hand in your PH membership immediately and mind the door doesn't hit you on the arse on the way out.

So, anyway, this area where the stop took place, is there a high percentage of black people who live there ?
Not especially. Why?
I was just pondering the notion that maybe, if a large proportion of the residents are black - sorry Black - and the TSG were tasked with an op there then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

Alternatively I was just pondering another notion that if the area is predominantly white - but as has been stated the TSG were on an op there to target and disrupt gangs operating in the area who are mainly Black - then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

I was pondering. I don't know the area or what crime is like there.

Simple fact though - if you police an area that has a large population from a minority background then you are very likely to stop people from a minority background.
There is nothing racist about that.

biggbn

23,301 posts

220 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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I wonder if she felt the same after the police apologised?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co....

Earthdweller

13,538 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Red 4 said:
I was just pondering the notion that maybe, if a large proportion of the residents are black - sorry Black - and the TSG were tasked with an op there then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

Alternatively I was just pondering another notion that if the area is predominantly white - but as has been stated the TSG were on an op there to target and disrupt gangs operating in the area who are mainly Black - then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

I was pondering. I don't know the area or what crime is like there.

Simple fact though - if you police an area that has a large population from a minority background then you are very likely to stop people from a minority background.
There is nothing racist about that.
I think it was W6 which is Hammersmith, so a mixed area socially

Crime stats are fairly high with a lot of violent crime recorded

Bigends

5,418 posts

128 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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She lives in Maida Vale w.9

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Earthdweller said:
Red 4 said:
I was just pondering the notion that maybe, if a large proportion of the residents are black - sorry Black - and the TSG were tasked with an op there then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

Alternatively I was just pondering another notion that if the area is predominantly white - but as has been stated the TSG were on an op there to target and disrupt gangs operating in the area who are mainly Black - then it may not be a huge surprise if they stopped Black people.

I was pondering. I don't know the area or what crime is like there.

Simple fact though - if you police an area that has a large population from a minority background then you are very likely to stop people from a minority background.
There is nothing racist about that.
I think it was W6 which is Hammersmith, so a mixed area socially

Crime stats are fairly high with a lot of violent crime recorded
Thanks for that. As you say lots of violent crime.

Robbery and theft from person are high. Any idea why ?

PS. Are you looking for some new clobber ? There's an ad for trainers and T- shirts on your screenshot.
I'd go with the Adidas ZX 750 personally. They're a classic. The LaCoste efforts are meh. smile

Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 8th July 21:18

Earthdweller

13,538 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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Bigends said:
She lives in Maida Vale w.9
W9, variation on a theme to W6 some bits nice others not so

Picked the same month for comparison


mmm-five

11,237 posts

284 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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biggbn said:
Won't they look a bit stupid releasing a video that will presumably show speeding, driving away and possibly dangerous driving yet no charges were brought. This will make the apology look needless and Dick look like...a Dick presumably? Unless it does show something else of course?
Why do you seem to be fixated on the "they can't have done anything wrong, because they weren't charged with anything!".

People do lots of little unlawful acts and 'get let off' - otherwise the police would prosecute everyone they saw doing 71mph on the motorway, or parking on a double-yellow line, or pulling away from the lights a bit sharpish...rather than giving them a pull and leaving them with a friendly warning.

Otherwise we'd all be moaning about how draconian the police are.

Greendubber

13,201 posts

203 months

Wednesday 8th July 2020
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mmm-five said:
Otherwise we'd all be moaning about how draconian the police are.
Plenty on here do already biggrin

B'stard Child

28,391 posts

246 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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Rob_R said:
I think there is more to this story than is immediately apparent...
I agree

biggbn

23,301 posts

220 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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mmm-five said:
biggbn said:
Won't they look a bit stupid releasing a video that will presumably show speeding, driving away and possibly dangerous driving yet no charges were brought. This will make the apology look needless and Dick look like...a Dick presumably? Unless it does show something else of course?
Why do you seem to be fixated on the "they can't have done anything wrong, because they weren't charged with anything!".

People do lots of little unlawful acts and 'get let off' - otherwise the police would prosecute everyone they saw doing 71mph on the motorway, or parking on a double-yellow line, or pulling away from the lights a bit sharpish...rather than giving them a pull and leaving them with a friendly warning.

Otherwise we'd all be moaning about how draconian the police are.
Yes, i agree. But this was not lots of little acts according to initial info. It was failing to stop, driving off, speeding and driving on the wrong side of the road. One of them would be enough for a ticket one would have thought, so all of them? One wonders if this was a tactical decision by police when nothing was found and they realised the fuss that woukd be made? Again, conjecture, but it all doesn't seem to fit together well, does it?

anonymoususer

5,809 posts

48 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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biggbn said:
Yes, i agree. But this was not lots of little acts according to initial info. It was failing to stop, driving off, speeding and driving on the wrong side of the road. One of them would be enough for a ticket one would have thought, so all of them? One wonders if this was a tactical decision by police when nothing was found and they realised the fuss that woukd be made? Again, conjecture, but it all doesn't seem to fit together well, does it?
No it doesnt
I suspect that plod acted in good faith but that now its become a political hot potato and the met is bending and flexing like a good un

jimPH

3,981 posts

80 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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anonymous said:
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Looks nothing like. It's an A Class. An old one at that.