Covid 19 - long term effects ?

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semisane

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850 posts

81 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Sorry for another covid thread.

I saw (but cannot find) a post talking about longer term medical issues post covid recovery.

A subsequent reply thought it was hysterical.....

Having watched a number of news channels recently it seems it might be the case

Thoughts ?

Monkeylegend

26,226 posts

230 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Interesting article about it on the BBC website this morning re the longer term effects.

Thread title needs changing smile

semisane

Original Poster:

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81 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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B*gger - how do I edit title ?

Mods...

Sophisticated Sarah

15,077 posts

168 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Considering only the elderly buy Honda, it could have quite an effect on Civics hehe

But in all seriousness, it’ll be interesting to see the long term impacts of Covid on health. I’ve had it (like a bad flu) and have never coughed up so much mucus in my life, I could have filled a half pint glass each morning when I woke up, Have to admit that I’ve felt a slight shortness of breath which has concerned me, but not enough to impact exercise.

poo at Paul's

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174 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Sadly there are huge number of idiots who think they know it is all just a bit of flu and only kills 90 year olds with heart disease.
Truth is, it is so new, the doctors and scientists don't know how and why it affects some at this stage (6 months in) in different ways than others. But I personally know doctors who say they are utterly stumped at times with it, and in some "low risk" patients, for some reason it is causing horrific damage to large numbers of organs in the body... lifechanging, life limiting changes. And as I say, they have no real idea why.

And to be fair, why would they, this is 6m old ......oh and and Primark is open, Ryanair are flying to Malaga, and it is just a bit of flu that a Bombay Bad Boy will cure.

My ex boss (ex before he died) died of it in June, taken ill in April, ICU for 40 days. He was 58, 6.4, 88kg, fit, active, big traveller, very nice chap indeed. They don't know where he caught it, how and why it affected him so badly.

One of the guys from my enduro club did an Ironman in November in Italy. In March he was taken ill with it and i think 14 weeks later now maybe 15, he is still off work and some days can hardly get out of bed. He was not hospitalized, he is 34.

I have read some articles on BBC last week about long term neurological diseases and affects, which again is causing alarm as this is a respiratory disease. But people in their 40s waking up after 10 days on ventilators delirious, and suffering from delirium weeks later, despite testing negative time and time again.

The worry in my mind is that even if 80% of cases are mild and make a full recovery, (we don't know as there are no recovered case numbers posted), how many times can you get away with catching it and it being "mild"?
It wont be going away for many years I don't think. So if you catch it and it is mild, next year, if you get it, will it automatically be mild again, or could it be more serious. Of course, it is new, so no one knows. And since they don't know why it is affecting people so differently, it is difficult to even guess what may happen going forward.
Time is surely what is needed, to study and understand the virus more and more, so we can develop effective treatments, ways of living to avoid it or mitigate it, and live with it. Whatever we know about it today, we will know probably 3 times that in another 6 months, etc etc.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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semisane said:
Sorry for another covid thread.

I saw (but cannot find) a post talking about longer term medical issues post covid recovery.

A subsequent reply thought it was hysterical.....

Having watched a number of news channels recently it seems it might be the case

Thoughts ?
Ask Kate Garraway.

Have a look at an x-ray of the lungs from a CV19 survivor (not all), the damage is clearly visible, and the damage is unlikely to improve.

There was a specialist on the Beeb a week or so ago who highlighted the above.

Vanden Saab

13,892 posts

73 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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don'tbesilly said:
semisane said:
Sorry for another covid thread.

I saw (but cannot find) a post talking about longer term medical issues post covid recovery.

A subsequent reply thought it was hysterical.....

Having watched a number of news channels recently it seems it might be the case

Thoughts ?
Ask Kate Garraway.

Have a look at an x-ray of the lungs from a CV19 survivor (not all), the damage is clearly visible, and the damage is unlikely to improve.

There was a specialist on the Beeb a week or so ago who highlighted the above.
Do these people with 'damaged' lungs after Covid have x-rays of their perfect lungs just before they caught it?

bitchstewie

50,782 posts

209 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
Do these people with 'damaged' lungs after Covid have x-rays of their perfect lungs just before they caught it?
Seriously? confused

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
don'tbesilly said:
semisane said:
Sorry for another covid thread.

I saw (but cannot find) a post talking about longer term medical issues post covid recovery.

A subsequent reply thought it was hysterical.....

Having watched a number of news channels recently it seems it might be the case

Thoughts ?
Ask Kate Garraway.

Have a look at an x-ray of the lungs from a CV19 survivor (not all), the damage is clearly visible, and the damage is unlikely to improve.

There was a specialist on the Beeb a week or so ago who highlighted the above.
Do these people with 'damaged' lungs after Covid have x-rays of their perfect lungs just before they caught it?
Some do, some don't.

However, specialists can generally recognise lung damage (hence the specialism), the causes, and when the damage was caused.

I saw an x-ray of my lungs only recently, I suffered from pneumonia last June/July, and as part of my post-hospital discharge, the lungs are, and rightfully so, an area of concern.

DeWar

906 posts

45 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
Do these people with 'damaged' lungs after Covid have x-rays of their perfect lungs just before they caught it?
Do people who’ve broken a hip have XR’s of their unbroken hip before they broke it?

Before you object that the comparison is specious: it isn’t. It’s exactly the same. If you had no breathing problems at all pre-COVID and you subsequently do, it’s pretty safe to say the radiological changes are new.

semisane

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850 posts

81 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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I am hearing of blood clots in multiple organs (not sure if they were present pre covid - to save Mr Saab 'contributing' again)

survivalist

5,614 posts

189 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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semisane said:
I am hearing of blood clots in multiple organs (not sure if they were present pre covid - to save Mr Saab 'contributing' again)
Your hearing must be awesome.

Cold

15,207 posts

89 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Post viral fatigue is already a feature for many who suffered from other types of viruses, so cases of CFS or ME will most likely be on the increase.
Symptoms may be minor or utterly debilitating.

mx5nut

5,404 posts

81 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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poo at Paul's said:
Sadly there are huge number of idiots who think they know it is all just a bit of flu and only kills 90 year olds with heart disease.
It's the problem with focussing on the death stats. People look at the numbers for their age group, see a (relatively) low number of deaths and think that means they'll be just fine if they catch it - so they don't take it seriously.

The face masks and anti vax threads are full of people who would rather have it spread through our population unchecked than take any personal responsibility in society and go to even the smallest amount of trouble to slow or stop it.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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mx5nut said:
It's the problem with focussing on the death stats. People look at the numbers for their age group, see a (relatively) low number of deaths and think that means they'll be just fine if they catch it - so they don't take it seriously.

The face masks and anti vax threads are full of people who would rather have it spread through our population unchecked than take any personal responsibility in society and go to even the smallest amount of trouble to slow or stop it.
some threads have people telling lies about others positions, like this one. as far as i can see people that don't want to wear face masks in shops will just not be going into those shops, yes ? i don't see any of them advocating actively spreading the disease, but then again you knew that.

for me i will be making sure i don't need to wear a mask as often as possible by not putting myself in a situation where i have to wear one. the flip side is i don't have a problem with those people that do want to wear one through choice and after weighing up the evidence at hand to help them make the decision.

i don't have much time for those that do everything they are told unquestioningly by those in authority. bad things tend to happen in countries where that becomes the accepted norm by the majority. .

Dont Panic

1,389 posts

50 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Its definitely causing brain damage in some.......

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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There’s a few articles about regarding people having long term symptoms like, fatigue or stomach problems, ‘brain fog’ etc when they’re actually testing negative.

Early days yet but some think your body can be releasing defence mechanisms when the virus has gone or maybe some of it remains but is undetected or missed in tests.

GPs or their friends often think they’re suffering from stress or anxiety, exacerbating their problems getting help.



Byker28i

58,852 posts

216 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Italy are warning of Psychosis, insomnia, kidney disease, spinal infections, strokes, chronic tiredness and mobility issues are being identified in former coronavirus patients in Lombardy, the worst-affected region in the country.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-fro...

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Byker28i said:
Italy are warning of Psychosis, insomnia, kidney disease, spinal infections, strokes, chronic tiredness and mobility issues are being identified in former coronavirus patients in Lombardy, the worst-affected region in the country.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-fro...
It's a bizarrely complex disease it seems.
My doc friend this evening has told me something that is odd. Diabetes seems to be the highest risk factor in cases overall, he spoke with colleagues this week who specialise in childhood diabetes, expecting them to tell tales of being ravaged, but it seems children with diabetes are finding it particularly hard to catch this virus! incidents on his wards are lower than general population in same age range, whereas in adults, the trends are woefully the other way ie adult diabetes, significant risk of infection and serious disease.
They just don't know why.

DeWar

906 posts

45 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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poo at Paul's said:
It's a bizarrely complex disease it seems.
My doc friend this evening has told me something that is odd. Diabetes seems to be the highest risk factor in cases overall, he spoke with colleagues this week who specialise in childhood diabetes, expecting them to tell tales of being ravaged, but it seems children with diabetes are finding it particularly hard to catch this virus! incidents on his wards are lower than general population in same age range, whereas in adults, the trends are woefully the other way ie adult diabetes, significant risk of infection and serious disease.
They just don't know why.
This is slightly less bizarre and inexplicable than it sounds.

It has become clear that Covid is a vascular as well as a respiratory disease i.e. it affects the normal functioning of blood vessels. There is lots of evidence for this. A large proportion of hospitalised Covid develop blood clots; Covid-associated stroke; the fact that high blood pressure appears to be a risk factor; the high mortality rate in smokers (initially assumed to be because of lung disease but smoking also knackers blood vessels). It even helps explain some of the weirder symptoms like “Covid toe” which could be due to inflammation of the blood vessels (vasculitis) in the toes and the possible association between Covid and Kawasaki Disease - a rare systemic vasculitis in children.

To explain the observation about diabetics: diabetes is a very significant risk factor for developing vascular disease, which is why it seems to be associated with poor Covid outcomes. Vascular disease is in turn the cause of most of the serious diabetes related complications. However, diabetes induced vascular disease happens over time, typically years or even decades before becoming clinically significant. So a diabetic child will have healthy blood vessels because they simply haven’t had diabetes long enough for it to affect them and therefore they will not have the same risk as older diabetics.

Basically it’s the same reason 15 year old diabetics don’t have heart attacks but 50 year old diabetics do. Indeed it may partly explain why Covid is such a mild illness in kids and why it’s so much more severe in the over 70’s - children have healthy blood vessels in general whereas the older you get, the more diseased they become.

Edited by DeWar on Tuesday 14th July 22:33