Manchester Bomber sentencing

[Cliftonite]

I foresee an expensive (for we taxpayers) appeal against the sentence coming along . . .

[andymc]

Genuine Barn Find said:

poo at Paul's said:

He's going to be bummed more times than a hippy with an unreliable VW camper.

I doubt it..... he’ll probably get parked on a wing with the rest of his ilk and live out the next 55 years in relative peace because he is too much of a target to ever be released into the general prison population.

You do know Muslims are one of the largest gangs in the prison system?

[Captain Smerc]

Murph7355 said:

I think a sentence few would disagree with.

Need to see that sort handed down in more cases.

Oh yes

[Carl_Manchester]

Justice has been served but as with anything in our country we need to wait to see if anyone will appeal.

[BrundanBianchi]

Cliftonite said:

But will if still get the 70 (72?) virgins when it snuffs it?

[J4CKO]

Pothole said:

J4CKO said:

Or that ?

Was just looking at this on Faceboo, apparently its not long enough

Minimum not being understood I dont think, he could be out in as little as 55 years with good behaviour, when he is still only 78...

Rest is people suggesting we bring the death penalty back just for him, go on then after 50 odd years, lets just do one for old times sake cos hes a bit of a rotter, forget all the law stuff. Quite a bit advocating torture as well, am sure the rest of your life in prison isnt going to be a picnic.

I'm sure those advocating the death penalty and torture would be supporting it just as vehemently the next time they're in the dock, won't they?

Yeah, our judiciary isnt perfect, but they dont convict based on a picture of some hapless berk on Facebook who has *Apparently* been grooming a teenage girl or found with indecent images of children on their laptop. As that is apparently enough evidence to suggest that someone should be tortured or killed, to my mind knocking up a few words on a picture is probably not enough evidence for me, am a bit old fashioned like that.

I get that it is very emotive but justice should never be based on emotion, its evidence, process, a jury, lawyers, lots of case law and vast amounts of time and money, but Maureen on Facebook doesn't need all that, he knows a wrongun when she sees one and despite an IQ of about 90 and the English skills of a not very bright nine year old she believes she knows better than hundreds of years of our legal system and some very very learned folk.

i think its basically a lot of virtue signalling to an extent, nobody wants hear about children being abused, not anyone of sound mind but also seems like a way of vehemently letting everyone know how passionately you feel, not sure how many could actually sit on a Brazilian drugs cartel slicing someone up or whatever other methods they use, or behead and alleged paedo themselves, or even just hit the button for the lethal injection. Makes me wonder how many who make so much noise actually, secretly do have some leanings of a special hard drive.

I did 15 years with GMP, in IT and saw cases, a bloke who bought old IT kit at Bowlers, an exhibition place that hosted a computer fair once a month, the hard disk had some really serious images, luckily he had a receipt and the IT forensics worked back through the computer reseller and traced it back to the original owner, who had dutifully filled a new, bigger, faster drive with child porn. Same with the sex offenders database, some were nailed on predatory pedophiles, some were 19 year old lads who slept with an underage girl they met and believed they were much older than the 14 they said, one was an dad who had rejected a daughters friends advances who then went mental and told her mum he had touched her as a way to get back, similar things with teachers.

All is not always as it seems, we have no death penalty as we are a civilised nation, even if some citizens are not decent, civilised people, or were just part of a cycle of abuse, I worked with a guy who went to prison for child sexual abuse, his dad had been in the clergy and he himself had been abused at a young age.

But simple people want simple solutions to complex problems, but the world doesn't work like that.

[the hop]

If history has taught us anything it is that eventually he will be released........... Lockerbie bomber released and returned home to a heroes welcome......... Iranian embassy siege member released on parole.................next?

[Fundoreen]

the hop said:

If history has taught us anything it is that eventually he will be released........... Lockerbie bomber released and returned home to a heroes welcome......... Iranian embassy siege member released on parole.................next?

Questionable guilt of Lockerbie bomber and the Iranian seige was nothing to do with the ayatollas as the hostage takers were loyalists to the shah (our friend) making a protest.
They always forget that bit in the sas porn documentaries.

Every IRA murder seems to have been let out as well. No question of their guilt.
Interesting to imagine every person assisting and hiding them being tracked down . Would run into the 10s of thousands.
At least the guilt you are carrying can ruin your live so they haven't got off scot free.
Bit more difficult with the religious fanatics as they are to thick to feel guilt.
Maybe thats why they get 55 years ,for being thick.

[irc]

There are those who think 55 years was too harsh. Idiots!

https://twitter.com/JayMotty/status/12967251426435...

[BadBull]

Hopefully that will be the end of her media 'career'.

[BlackLabel]

The Abedi family are a lovely lot.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54467114

A nice way to pay back a nation which granted them asylum.

[saaby93]

Is this the right thread for the inquest?
Last week someone at the arena flagged up the suspect to a security guard but thought he was fobbed off

Security guard says today he didnt see anything unusual in the guy with the heavy rucksack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-5...

[Algarve]

saaby93 said:

Is this the right thread for the inquest?
Last week someone at the arena flagged up the suspect to a security guard but thought he was fobbed off

Security guard says today he didnt see anything unusual in the guy with the heavy rucksack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-5...

Its hard for the security to win though. By 'suspicious' did the person mean 'brown'

What happens to the security guard when he causes a huge scene and the bag contained his dirty laundry from 5 a side football.

[Pothole]

Algarve said:

saaby93 said:

Is this the right thread for the inquest?
Last week someone at the arena flagged up the suspect to a security guard but thought he was fobbed off

Security guard says today he didnt see anything unusual in the guy with the heavy rucksack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-5...

Its hard for the security to win though. By 'suspicious' did the person mean 'brown'

What happens to the security guard when he causes a huge scene and the bag contained his dirty laundry from 5 a side football.

Why does he need to cause a scene, huge or otherwise?

[BrundanBianchi]

Algarve said:

Its hard for the security to win though. By 'suspicious' did the person mean 'brown'

What happens to the security guard when he causes a huge scene and the bag contained his dirty laundry from 5 a side football.

Everyone forgets about it pretty quickly, unlike what actually happened.

[BlackLabel]

Is the inquest looking into the actions of our government and security services when it came to encouraging British Libyans to go over to Libya, join jihadi groups, and fight to overthrow Gaddafi? I remember the BBC and others interviewing young lads in Manchester who had just returned home after the fall of Gaddafi and they were treated like a modern day British Battalion from the Spanish civil war despite the fact that many were fighting with extremist Islamist groups.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-...

[Ian Geary]

There was some eyebrow raising stuff coming out of the inquest.

We all hear about the thin blue line, but when officers have been told to stagger lunch breaks bit instead go off for an hour and a half together, you have to wonder.

They were caught out that day, but I doubt it was the first time they ever did that. And was it an attitude they had developed themselves, or picked up from colleagues? The cynic in me suspects that is usual MO

[XCP]

'Lunch breaks'. I heard about them.
Mostly from CPS lawyers.

[coolg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-5...

Guard was worried about approaching the bomber for fear of being called racist.

You can’t just stop brown people with rucksacks assuming they are all bombers. That would result j a disproportionate stopping of Asian men by the police. They will need to stop old white women as well to balance the numbers.

[mac96]

The two security guards quoted had one thing in common- very young. They may have worked at quite a few events but tact and self confidence develop with age. I wouldn't blame either of them for not reacting differently.

I also wonder just how much initiative their employers expect of them- or is it just -'stand by that fire exit and make sure no one uses it unless there is a fire'