Refugees / Asylum seekers crossing the channel

Refugees / Asylum seekers crossing the channel

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anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Stan the Bat said:
You believe all the reasons they give then---deluded, dude.
Where did I say I believed the reasons given by migrants? I didn't.

I merely quoted the reasons for people to read.

I then suggested it was 'bizarre' that a bunch of randomly guessed reasons on a forum were likely to be more accurate than multiple impartial interviews with the migrants themselves.

Learn to read posts accurately.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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BrundanBianchi said:
Alucidnation said:
Should be an easy catch for the authorities now then.
Let’s hope so. They are Albanians, who I believe won’t have any valid claim for asylum. I believe that bringing them in on freighters removes the argument that they should have claimed asylum in the first place they arrived, not travel through several countries, then claim asylum here.



Edited by BrundanBianchi on Wednesday 28th October 17:34
A % will end up in clink. 10% of foreign inmates in U.K. jails are Albanian.

Stan the Bat

8,841 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Lord Marylebone said:
Stan the Bat said:
You believe all the reasons they give then---deluded, dude.
Where did I say I believed the reasons given by migrants? I didn't.

I merely quoted the reasons for people to read.

I then suggested it was 'bizarre' that a bunch of randomly guessed reasons on a forum were likely to be more accurate than multiple impartial interviews with the migrants themselves.

Learn to read posts accurately.
Hmmm.

Tom Logan

3,191 posts

124 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Mrr T said:
I think most suggest English is one of the easiest languages to learn.
How English sounds to a non-English speaker, by the awesome Adriano Celentano

biggrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsmF9m_Nt8



T6 vanman

3,055 posts

98 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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On the news currently,

Terrible conditions in the northern refugee camps in northern France, Muddy quagmire reminiscent to Glastonbury, being supported and provided food & clothes by British charities,
Why aren't the French housing these asylum seekers in 4* hotels rather than in squalor camps

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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T6 vanman said:
On the news currently,

Terrible conditions in the northern refugee camps in northern France, Muddy quagmire reminiscent to Glastonbury, being supported and provided food & clothes by British charities,
Why aren't the French housing these asylum seekers in 4* hotels rather than in squalor camps
They are waiting for us to send helicopters, private jets etc - to escort them here.

The French are doing it right. We are not.
They are economic migrants. Nothing more. Off they fk...

Unbusy

934 posts

96 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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As has been said on here before, the French give them next to diddly squat. Somewhat surprising for a socialist country. Overall there is little kindness for the migrants.
I find it bizarre for UK charidee to be there. It can only encourage them to get here.

Vanden Saab

13,889 posts

73 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Troubleatmill said:
T6 vanman said:
On the news currently,

Terrible conditions in the northern refugee camps in northern France, Muddy quagmire reminiscent to Glastonbury, being supported and provided food & clothes by British charities,
Why aren't the French housing these asylum seekers in 4* hotels rather than in squalor camps
They are waiting for us to send helicopters, private jets etc - to escort them here.

The French are doing it right. We are not.
They are economic migrants. Nothing more. Off they fk...
The French leftie lawyers must be fking useless...

dandarez

13,244 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Troubleatmill said:
T6 vanman said:
On the news currently,

Terrible conditions in the northern refugee camps in northern France, Muddy quagmire reminiscent to Glastonbury, being supported and provided food & clothes by British charities,
Why aren't the French housing these asylum seekers in 4* hotels rather than in squalor camps
They are waiting for us to send helicopters, private jets etc - to escort them here.

The French are doing it right. We are not.
They are economic migrants. Nothing more. Off they fk...
Lily Allen will be off to help them soon, and let us all know we should be ashamed on her behalf,
but at the mo she's too busy masturbating.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/28/lily-allens-take-on...


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Unbusy said:
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I find it bizarre for UK charidee to be there. It can only encourage them to get here.
It is very strange. A very good friend's Mrs is involved with one of these charities whose main purpose appears to me to be to get as many to the UK as possible.

Murph7355

37,646 posts

255 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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dandarez said:
Lily Allen will be off to help them soon, and let us all know we should be ashamed on her behalf,
but at the mo she's too busy masturbating. ...
Thus confirming what we all already knew....

fblm said:
It is very strange. A very good friend's Mrs is involved with one of these charities whose main purpose appears to me to be to get as many to the UK as possible.
Feelings evidently run high about the French.

Craigyp79

586 posts

182 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Tom Logan said:
PRTVR said:
It will only be a short stretch of coast line around dunkerque and calais, the shortest distance, a reporter was watching some launch from a beach and phoned the police, who weren't interested.
It could be stopped now if they were returned to France, if you do get to stay why set off ?
The french authorities aren't interested in stopping them, quite the opposite, they want rid and are only too happy to turn a blind eye and allow the migrants to embark on their jaunt.

One other thing to consider is that the gendarmerie/douane work 'office hours' and don't normally turn out at night unless there is an emergency, anyone who has driven overnight through France will know this. The migrants will almost have a clear run from the beach during the hours of darkness for the above reason.
You're talking complete bks there, the French authorities take this very seriously and commit a surprising amount of resources to the problem. I take it you have never worked with French LE enforcement if you think they only work "office hours"?

Digga

40,202 posts

282 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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markcoznottz said:
BrundanBianchi said:
Alucidnation said:
Should be an easy catch for the authorities now then.
Let’s hope so. They are Albanians, who I believe won’t have any valid claim for asylum. I believe that bringing them in on freighters removes the argument that they should have claimed asylum in the first place they arrived, not travel through several countries, then claim asylum here.



Edited by BrundanBianchi on Wednesday 28th October 17:34
A % will end up in clink. 10% of foreign inmates in U.K. jails are Albanian.
Slightly O/T but Albania has its own refugee crisis too, as many Chechens have fled there.

Not to dispute the outlier over-representation of Albanian nationals in UK jails, or their undoubted, vicious and swift rise to control much of the criminal activities in most UK cities.

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Lord Marylebone said:
As pointed out above, they can only be returned to France if they are stopped in French waters, which would require the French stopping them?

If we stop them in UK waters then we cannot just take them back to France.
Why? Surely illegal immigrants can be returned to the port/country from which they left?

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Lord Marylebone said:
Where did I say I believed the reasons given by migrants? I didn't.

I merely quoted the reasons for people to read.

I then suggested it was 'bizarre' that a bunch of randomly guessed reasons on a forum were likely to be more accurate than multiple impartial interviews with the migrants themselves.

Learn to read posts accurately.
Why would they be more accurate than reasons given by people who are basing them on what is actually happening? I do not believe that anyone who was in genuine fear of persecution or death would not take refuge in the first safe place they came to - why would you if it might mean that you may invalidate your claim and be sent back? The story they give (if they truly are giving that story) about wanting to come here because we speak English as a first language is utter rubbish.

Even if it weren't then it isn't a reason based on refugee status it's a social reason. If you are fleeing persecution, arrive at a safe place but decide that you'd be more comfortable in another place then you are not fleeing persecution the moment you depart for that other place. Legally you may be, and I'd argue that they was never envisaged as being part of the Convention on Refugees, but morally and practically you are not.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

60 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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AJL308 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
As pointed out above, they can only be returned to France if they are stopped in French waters, which would require the French stopping them?

If we stop them in UK waters then we cannot just take them back to France.
Why? Surely illegal immigrants can be returned to the port/country from which they left?
You have to prove they came from a named country. So ridiculous as it might seem, someone getting off a rubber ring in Dover, cannot be assumed to have come from France. Next, you can't pop them back on a ferry and drop them back at Calais without French approval, which is obviously not forthcoming. It's like the people that arrive at a British airport having eaten their passport enroute and claim they are stateless. They boarded at another airport with a passport, which is obviously recorded, yet they aren't simply put on a return flight to the place they flew from. The latter situation could be solved in 24 hours with the political will which is obviously lacking. The former is much more difficult but it would be nice to see some ideas rather than the ineffective approach we seem to be stuck with at present.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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AJL308 said:
The story they give (if they truly are giving that story) about wanting to come here because we speak English as a first language is utter rubbish.
I watched them interviewing "Immigrants" in Dunkirk on the news last night......they weren't speaking in English to the journalist but adamant they "had to get to the UK"

Porsche guy

3,465 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Legacywr said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Porsche guy said:
Lord Marylebone said:
..... the reasons for wanting to come to the UK than the asylum seekers who were interviewed and gave their reasons.

Bizarre, but there you go.

You think whatever makes you happy. (or angry. I'm convinced some of you just want to be angry)
And you expect them to tell the truth after they've destroyed their passports!

When ever I've seen the dingies on the news, they're mostly full of young men
What are you going on about?

My post was stating the reasons they give for wanting to reach the UK, when interviewed by various news teams and charities while still in France.

Why are you talking about destroying passports or being 'young men'?
I guess he’s referring to the statements by UK police, that most often, when apprehended, these migrants aren’t carrying any documents, or mobile phones with them.
Yes, thank you smile

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Digga said:
markcoznottz said:
BrundanBianchi said:
Alucidnation said:
Should be an easy catch for the authorities now then.
Let’s hope so. They are Albanians, who I believe won’t have any valid claim for asylum. I believe that bringing them in on freighters removes the argument that they should have claimed asylum in the first place they arrived, not travel through several countries, then claim asylum here.



Edited by BrundanBianchi on Wednesday 28th October 17:34
A % will end up in clink. 10% of foreign inmates in U.K. jails are Albanian.
Slightly O/T but Albania has its own refugee crisis too, as many Chechens have fled there.

Not to dispute the outlier over-representation of Albanian nationals in UK jails, or their undoubted, vicious and swift rise to control much of the criminal activities in most UK cities.
Just to reiterate that point, Albania isn’t even in the eu, they have no legitimate claim to asylum, they should be fast tracked out of here.

R Mutt

5,882 posts

71 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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catweasle said:
AJL308 said:
The story they give (if they truly are giving that story) about wanting to come here because we speak English as a first language is utter rubbish.
I watched them interviewing "Immigrants" in Dunkirk on the news last night......they weren't speaking in English to the journalist but adamant they "had to get to the UK"
Language is one of the explanations for their choice of destination. The other is connections here, but that only comes via their friends or relatives having previously migrated here. but then who did their forebears know here? We aren't talking about people whose ancestors came as part of organised resettlement.

The counter argument is that we're a soft touch, which people will dispute on the basis that we take few migrants compared to the rest of Europe. But that's because were the geographically the farthest not because we stop or deport more of them