If masks become compulsory in shops (Vol. 2)

[bad company]

dmahon said:

I haven’t worn a mask once and don’t bother with a lanyard, though do keep one in my back pocket in case I’m ever in a bind.

I do this not because of health reasons, but because the science is extremely questionable, it’s an overreach by the state and the virus isn’t even harmful to 99.9% of the population. I do not believe because Handycock says so to be a justifiable reason a la Simon says.

I barely bother with shops, pubs etc mainly due to masks not a massive issue, but that’s my perspective as a healthy person with a lanyard.

Edited by dmahon on Wednesday 28th October 07:57

That’s pretty much where I am.

[Zoobeef]

PF62 said:

cjs racing. said:

PF62 said:

My take is just to pity all those physically healthy individuals wearing lanyards who therefore must be exempt due to mental health issues, and then to ponder what traumatic event caused those big tough men to fear wearing a face covering for a few minutes.

3 years ago my brother took his life by hanging.

It was later shown he probably changed his mind, and fought to save himself.

Ever since I have real issues with things around my neck, or over my mouth, basically anything that even begins to possibly restrict breathing.

I can now only were polo tops, or shirts unbuttoned a long way, a T shirt renders me unable to breath.

I do hope that this is traumatic enough for you to forgive me for not wearing a mask.

Stop being so judgmental.

You have my sympathy for your mental condition which prevents you wearing a face covering.

But I do find it quite surprising how many men suffer from a psychological issue which allows them to wear an exemption lanyard.

Look at this guy belittling men.
I can see you now, stood in a supermarket telling everyone to "man up".

[Alucidnation]

stevensdrs said:

Spreading the virus through the population as quickly as possible is actually the best defense against the virus as you deprive it of potential hosts.

Any evidence for that?

[stevensdrs]

Alucidnation said:

stevensdrs said:

Spreading the virus through the population as quickly as possible is actually the best defense against the virus as you deprive it of potential hosts.

Any evidence for that?

About 10,000 years of evolution, and a dose of commonsense. It isn't possible to eradicate the virus by hiding from it, we need to accept it is here, will do it's thing and get used to living with it the same way we do with other viruses.

[markyb_lcy]

stevensdrs said:

Alucidnation said:

stevensdrs said:

Spreading the virus through the population as quickly as possible is actually the best defense against the virus as you deprive it of potential hosts.

Any evidence for that?

About 10,000 years of evolution, and a dose of commonsense. It isn't possible to eradicate the virus by hiding from it, we need to accept it is here, will do it's thing and get used to living with it the same way we do with other viruses.

Indeed, there are many instances in history of viruses sweeping through population.

In fact, it is the current course of action, the locking down of populations and suspension of social liberty to attempt to eradicate a virus that is completely without precedent and evidence.

[car2021]

Please don't be a clown and wear a mask as per law nd even if you have are "exempt" if you can wear a face covering as per SD do do that.

Still clowns around not wearing one backwards clown was stopped at the supermarket entrance told security "I've forgotten mine" and it was told to go and get one it becsme aggressive like most of them do then a larger security guy came and I'm guessing told it to go or be throw off the entrance. It left swearing like the little selfish coward it is that could not care less who it infects, etc.

[TellYaWhatItIs]

car2021 said:

Please don't be a clown and wear a mask as per law nd even if you have are "exempt" if you can wear a face covering as per SD do do that.

Still clowns around not wearing one backwards clown was stopped at the supermarket entrance told security "I've forgotten mine" and it was told to go and get one it becsme aggressive like most of them do then a larger security guy came and I'm guessing told it to go or be throw off the entrance. It left swearing like the little selfish coward it is that could not care less who it infects, etc.

You're really not a 'thinking' person are you?

I am guessing you are getting at least 3 daily doses of BBC and have operated on fear and emotion since March.

I pity you.

[breamster]

stevensdrs said:

Alucidnation said:

stevensdrs said:

Spreading the virus through the population as quickly as possible is actually the best defense against the virus as you deprive it of potential hosts.

Any evidence for that?

About 10,000 years of evolution, and a dose of commonsense. It isn't possible to eradicate the virus by hiding from it, we need to accept it is here, will do it's thing and get used to living with it the same way we do with other viruses.

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

The world's biggest brains are trying to resolve this pandemic in the most effective way (I don't include Boris in this!) The IMF has estimated the eventual cost of the pandemic to exceed £20 trillion but someone on Pistonheads knows the answer that everyone else has missed.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/13/i...

I'm not saying that it is practical or possible to eradicate the virus by the way but this approach has been successful before. e.g. Smallpox.

Incidentally, the last 10 000 years has seen a lot but it's only in the last 50-70 years have we seen the general population have such a vast degree of mobility. Your average Joe can now travel to the other side of the globe in ~24hrs for relatively little cost. A hundred years ago it would have been a treacherous journey taking months. Evolution hasn't yet caught up yet.

Anyway, I know the anti-mask minority on this thread don't like an opposing view so there you go.

[JagLover]

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

[breamster]

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

[Cold]

breamster said:

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

There's a Long Covid thread in the Health section of PH. None of the symptoms described there seem unique or particularly unusual.

[stevensdrs]

breamster said:

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

I have had Covid and am very likely suffering from the after effects (Long Covid) as I can hardly walk to the top of the road without being out of breath. Last year I could have run up it. Does it change my point of view?, No it does not. The current strategy is insane, clearly doesn't work and should be binned along with the virtue signaling face coverings.

[monkfish1]

breamster said:

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

Well im pleased you can get on with life. Some of us can't for any number of reasons related to the restrictions. But you are "all right jack". Good for you.

[breamster]

stevensdrs said:

breamster said:

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

I have had Covid and am very likely suffering from the after effects (Long Covid) as I can hardly walk to the top of the road without being out of breath. Last year I could have run up it. Does it change my point of view?, No it does not. The current strategy is insane, clearly doesn't work and should be binned along with the virtue signaling face coverings.

Like I said read up on long covid. If I assume you are telling the truth you are fortunate to only being a little out of breath.

Anyway, I think we need to agree to disagree. I'm not going to convince you and vice versa.

[Gareth79]

Cold said:

breamster said:

JagLover said:

breamster said:

Letting the virus rip through the population would be catastrophic. Don't just consider the deaths that will result but also consider the impact of Long Covid.

Long Covid

1.5% of people still having post viral fatigue three months after infection is no excuse to hide under your bed. If you didn't hide from glandular fever then don't hide from Covid-19.

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

If you think long covid is a bit of post viral fatigue you are very very naive. Do some background reading and educate yourself.

There's a Long Covid thread in the Health section of PH. None of the symptoms described there seem unique or particularly unusual.

There's nothing unusual about the symptoms no, but the % of people not fully recovering from a viral infection IS.

[JagLover]

Gareth79 said:

There's nothing unusual about the symptoms no, but the % of people not fully recovering from a viral infection IS.

The rate for Glandular Fever is 10% after six months

NHS said:

More than 1 in every 10 people with glandular fever will experience prolonged fatigue, which lasts for six months or more after the initial infection. It is not known why fatigue lasts longer in some people.

I should know as I needed a five minute rest after walking to the end of the street two months after infection.

[popeyewhite]

Gareth79 said:

There's nothing unusual about the symptoms no, but the % of people not fully recovering from a viral infection IS.

When the same % had picked up the flu bug - as happens in a normal year - it wouldn't be news. I know people who have had flu that left them unable to ascend stairs for months etc. Viral myocarditis, brain fog etc etc I don't think any of these long lasting symptoms are particular to covid.

[Donbot]

breamster said:

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

I'm trying to get on with life by ignoring this unscientific bullst (like the Swedes). Sadly idiots like you have bought into the fantasy, and want to make life as difficult as possible.

[breamster]

Donbot said:

breamster said:

Ironically it is the anti-mask minority inhabiting this thread that are living in fear and hiding behind their keyboards. How many posts on here have we seen from anti-maskers saying they barely go to the shops, the cinema the pub etc. The rest of us are getting on with life.

I'm trying to get on with life by ignoring this unscientific bullst (like the Swedes). Sadly idiots like you have bought into the fantasy, and want to make life as difficult as possible.

Name calling.

[JagLover]

popeyewhite said:

Gareth79 said:

There's nothing unusual about the symptoms no, but the % of people not fully recovering from a viral infection IS.

When the same % had picked up the flu bug - as happens in a normal year - it wouldn't be news. I know people who have had flu that left them unable to ascend stairs for months etc. Viral myocarditis, brain fog etc etc I don't think any of these long lasting symptoms are particular to covid.

Yes

Most of this is driven by ignorance of how viruses usually behave and which is presented by the media as some scary new thing with this virus.

Post viral fatigue is common and has been known about for years. It is far lower in Covid-19 patients than in those recovering from Glandular fever. I cannot find the stats online, but 1.5% after three months is probably the same sort of percentage as those recovering from seasonal Flu.

Heart inflammation is also common with a serious viral infection.