Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:don'tbesilly said:
Yes it was a good show from Lewis, and refreshing to see Marr allow any questions to be answered which is a change from previous shows.
It's a shame the message Lewis gave in respect of the support already given to date and the support going forward for the topic being discussed isn't reaching a wider audience, although it would be lost on quite a few as it doesn't quite fit at the moment.
The Prime Minister could go on TV at any point and explain those details.It's a shame the message Lewis gave in respect of the support already given to date and the support going forward for the topic being discussed isn't reaching a wider audience, although it would be lost on quite a few as it doesn't quite fit at the moment.
He could go on Twitter and do the same.
As it is he couldn't even bring himself to acknowledge the fantastic work done by Rashford this week.
You've read the responses when journalists asked for comment from his official spokesman.
Why do you think the Prime Minister might find it so hard to support all that hard work from already struggling businesses?
I rather suspect your question is one you already have an opinion on, if so why don't you share it?
don'tbesilly said:
Why would you think I'm in any position to ask Johnson why he hasn't done any of the things you think he should have done? Or would you like me to speculate?
I rather suspect your question is one you already have an opinion on, if so why don't you share it?
I have an opinion on it and I'd like to know what yours is.I rather suspect your question is one you already have an opinion on, if so why don't you share it?
So yes I'd like you to speculate please.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:don'tbesilly said:
Why would you think I'm in any position to ask Johnson why he hasn't done any of the things you think he should have done? Or would you like me to speculate?
I rather suspect your question is one you already have an opinion on, if so why don't you share it?
I have an opinion on it and I'd like to know what yours is.I rather suspect your question is one you already have an opinion on, if so why don't you share it?
So yes I'd like you to speculate please.
As to your opinion, I'm sure it won't vary much from those you share on an hourly/daily basis and 24/7, so feel free and get another opinion off your chest.
don'tbesilly said:
I can speculate as far as not having a single clue as to why Johnson hasn't commented, did that help?
As to your opinion, I'm sure it won't vary much from those you share on an hourly/daily basis and 24/7, so feel free and get another opinion off your chest.
The Prime Minister can't bring himself to summon up so much as a single word of support to all those businesses helping out and you won't even offer a guess why because you don't want to be seen as being critical of him.As to your opinion, I'm sure it won't vary much from those you share on an hourly/daily basis and 24/7, so feel free and get another opinion off your chest.
What does he do to inspire such devotion and loyalty from you?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:don'tbesilly said:
I can speculate as far as not having a single clue as to why Johnson hasn't commented, did that help?
As to your opinion, I'm sure it won't vary much from those you share on an hourly/daily basis and 24/7, so feel free and get another opinion off your chest.
The Prime Minister can't bring himself to summon up so much as a single word of support to all those businesses helping out and you won't even offer a guess why because you don't want to be seen as being critical of him.As to your opinion, I'm sure it won't vary much from those you share on an hourly/daily basis and 24/7, so feel free and get another opinion off your chest.
What does he do to inspire such devotion and loyalty from you?
don'tbesilly said:
The fact I don't have a clue as to why Johnson hasn't done what you think he should have done or perhaps wished he had, does not mean I don't want to be seen as being critical of him, nor does it mean I'm devoted and loyal to him, but thanks for your speculation and assumptions on views/opinions I have not expressed.
Do you think his opinion is correct?bhstewie said:
hstewie said:768 said:
I did think Brandon Lewis did reasonably well this morning. Probably why there wasn't any mention of it. 
I think Brandon Lewis did reasonably well this morning too.The articles I linked to are from when Boris Johnson's spokesman was asked three times on Friday.
Johnson can also use Twitter when it suits i.e. whinging about Rule Britannia at the Proms.
I'll happily give Lewis some credit for his words.
If Johnson had said them I'd give him credit too.
As it is he's said nothing on this and as the article shows has actually almost actively gone in the opposite direction.
The idea of local councils funding this as part of a strategy is complete rubbish.
They are being provided with money at the moment, but that is general funding for a variety of causes and the councils (as of 5pm on Friday) had no contact from central Government to ask them to provide the service.
The Government have done nothing to ask councils to fix this problem nor did they provide any specific funding to do so.
So yeah, Lewis may have sounded convincing, but he was talking absolute horlicks.
IforB said:
The problem with what Lewis said, is that it was complete rubbish.
The idea of local councils funding this as part of a strategy is complete rubbish.
They are being provided with money at the moment, but that is general funding for a variety of causes and the councils (as of 5pm on Friday) had no contact from central Government to ask them to provide the service.
The Government have done nothing to ask councils to fix this problem nor did they provide any specific funding to do so.
So yeah, Lewis may have sounded convincing, but he was talking absolute horlicks.
Oh don't get me wrong I said I'll give him some credit for the fact he at least said "I congratulate them for that and thank them for that" when speaking about the effort from Rashford and so many businesses.The idea of local councils funding this as part of a strategy is complete rubbish.
They are being provided with money at the moment, but that is general funding for a variety of causes and the councils (as of 5pm on Friday) had no contact from central Government to ask them to provide the service.
The Government have done nothing to ask councils to fix this problem nor did they provide any specific funding to do so.
So yeah, Lewis may have sounded convincing, but he was talking absolute horlicks.
It's more than Johnson has said and it's sickening how difficult people seem to find it to call him out for that.
rustednut said:
I am fairly sure that all of those objecting to any extra support, for children, have never been in a position where they have had to choose between food and something else, daily, let alone when income has been hit further.
They also appear to label the mother of Marcus Rashford as a bad parent, unless they don't believe what his time as a child was like. Looks like she managed to produce a skilled person, with compassion and thoughts for others as far as I can see. It is possible for children to get out of poor backgrounds, but not many make it. Why do we want to perpetuate the problem?
Both of these statements are not factual in relation to this thread. They also appear to label the mother of Marcus Rashford as a bad parent, unless they don't believe what his time as a child was like. Looks like she managed to produce a skilled person, with compassion and thoughts for others as far as I can see. It is possible for children to get out of poor backgrounds, but not many make it. Why do we want to perpetuate the problem?
Carl_Manchester said:
rustednut said:
I am fairly sure that all of those objecting to any extra support, for children, have never been in a position where they have had to choose between food and something else, daily, let alone when income has been hit further.
They also appear to label the mother of Marcus Rashford as a bad parent, unless they don't believe what his time as a child was like. Looks like she managed to produce a skilled person, with compassion and thoughts for others as far as I can see. It is possible for children to get out of poor backgrounds, but not many make it. Why do we want to perpetuate the problem?
Both of these statements are not factual in relation to this thread. They also appear to label the mother of Marcus Rashford as a bad parent, unless they don't believe what his time as a child was like. Looks like she managed to produce a skilled person, with compassion and thoughts for others as far as I can see. It is possible for children to get out of poor backgrounds, but not many make it. Why do we want to perpetuate the problem?
Whilst the mods have definitely been busy and cleaned up some of the more appalling posts, there is still plenty to back that up.
IforB said:
Whilst the mods have definitely been busy and cleaned up some of the more appalling posts, there is still plenty to back that up.
I agree about some of the tone deaf responses about the school meals but the post generalised opinions that myself (and others) have been sharing and then making assumptions about our backgrounds inside a Conservative thread. The regurgitated falsehood that Tory = rich Labour = poor might stick in Effingham and parts of Merseyside but there's is a majority of people between those two contrasts where these badges don't stick and have never stuck.
People claiming to be ‘true British patriots’ oddly determined that a portion of British children should starve
Quite a nice caricature of the "all lives matter" and "we should be looking after our own" sorts
Quite a nice caricature of the "all lives matter" and "we should be looking after our own" sorts
Carl_Manchester said:
IforB said:
Whilst the mods have definitely been busy and cleaned up some of the more appalling posts, there is still plenty to back that up.
I agree about some of the tone deaf responses about the school meals but the post generalised opinions that myself (and others) have been sharing and then making assumptions about our backgrounds inside a Conservative thread. The regurgitated falsehood that Tory = rich Labour = poor might stick in Effingham and parts of Merseyside but there's is a majority of people between those two contrasts where these badges don't stick and have never stuck.
Then follow that up on here with a thread where peoe are describing the poor as workshy and contemptible, all of whom are long self declared supporters of this Conservative administration and you have a very clear path for people to consider this to be a Conservative problem.
This does not mean that all Conservatives support the Government's abhorrent and indefensible stance, but my god this is a PR disaster for Conservatism.
If I were a Tory member, Councillor, activist or anyone else involved with the Conservative party, I'd be raging right now. Even if they do actually care about feeding hungry kids, thanks to the actions of the party leadership, they are now tarred with a particularly foul smelling and toxic brush that will be used for years to come to paint them in a certain light.
Whether you or anyone else thinks it is fair, is not really the point. Conservatism has had an absolute moral hoofing over the past few days, all thanks to the appalling excuses for human-beings the Conservative party voted in as their leaders.
So it is a bit rich to be expecting any sympathy. Tory members need to take some responsibility for their decisions. You voted for a clown and now you have a circus.
s2art said:
IforB said:
So it is a bit rich to be expecting any sympathy. Tory members need to take some responsibility for their decisions. You voted for a clown and now you have a circus.
Pretty good ROI then.s2art said:
IforB said:
So it is a bit rich to be expecting any sympathy. Tory members need to take some responsibility for their decisions. You voted for a clown and now you have a circus.
Pretty good ROI then.
You have to marvel at all the hysteria about Boris and co following the same policy on FSM as every previous Conservative and Labour administration.
JagLover said:
s2art said:
IforB said:
So it is a bit rich to be expecting any sympathy. Tory members need to take some responsibility for their decisions. You voted for a clown and now you have a circus.
Pretty good ROI then.You have to marvel at all the hysteria about Boris and co following the same policy on FSM as every previous Conservative and Labour administration.
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