Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
Discussion
Vanden Saab said:
Alyn Smith. Is that the same Alyn Smith who had to give the Brexit Party a large sum of money which allegedly was paid for from the 'ringfenced' second referendum crowdfunding the SNP raised, for false money laundering claims he made?
The only interesting thing about it is that it shows the lengths butt hurt rejoiners will go to in their efforts to be proved right all along.
I haven't looked.The only interesting thing about it is that it shows the lengths butt hurt rejoiners will go to in their efforts to be proved right all along.
We're leaving the EU.
I know it's easy to go for the "butt hurt rejoiners" angle here but aren't you even a little bit curious about the extent of what's gone on?
Even if the extent turns out to be "nothing much at all"?
Not bothered what the intelligence and security committee found?
Not bothered at all by the Governments refusal to look into it?
Not even "we're busy with the pandemic but we'll commit to investigating this"?
You might not care about this one because you perceive any interference might have gone your way but that doesn't mean it will the next time.
It's easy to try and turn it into a leave/remain thing but I think that's being blinkered.
Vanden Saab said:
Alyn Smith. Is that the same Alyn Smith who had to give the Brexit Party a large sum of money which allegedly was paid for from the 'ringfenced' second referendum crowdfunding the SNP raised, for false money laundering claims he made?
Whether on this or not, the 'ringfenced' second ref money appears to have been spent 
https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/
ETA: You may be right:
WoS said:
The party’s legal costs almost exactly quadrupled in 2019, from £38,000 to £156,000. No breakdown of that figure is given, but according to our insiders Colin Beattie has explained the huge leap as mainly due to the defamation case triggered by then-MEP, now MP Alyn Smith’s erroneous allegations against the Brexit Party. The hefty bill for that foolish mistake, which Smith initially doubled down on, was seemingly footed by the SNP, not Smith himself.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-whole-rotten-structure/Edited by amusingduck on Thursday 29th October 08:16
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Vanden Saab said:
Alyn Smith. Is that the same Alyn Smith who had to give the Brexit Party a large sum of money which allegedly was paid for from the 'ringfenced' second referendum crowdfunding the SNP raised, for false money laundering claims he made?
The only interesting thing about it is that it shows the lengths butt hurt rejoiners will go to in their efforts to be proved right all along.
I haven't looked.The only interesting thing about it is that it shows the lengths butt hurt rejoiners will go to in their efforts to be proved right all along.
We're leaving the EU.
I know it's easy to go for the "butt hurt rejoiners" angle here but aren't you even a little bit curious about the extent of what's gone on?
Even if the extent turns out to be "nothing much at all"?
Not bothered what the intelligence and security committee found?
Not bothered at all by the Governments refusal to look into it?
Not even "we're busy with the pandemic but we'll commit to investigating this"?
You might not care about this one because you perceive any interference might have gone your way but that doesn't mean it will the next time.
It's easy to try and turn it into a leave/remain thing but I think that's being blinkered.
Vanden Saab said:
Not bothered at all. Many foreign Govs try interfere in others elections its part of the job description. If the people involved were not rabid anti-brexiteers or actually were interested in all interference including the EUs own efforts I might be interested but as they are not then it can be safely labelled as butt-hurt...
Where’s this weird focus on being butt hurt suddenly come from. The frothier brexit PHers are all going on about it. It seems a bit weird all these old blokes adopting an Americanism about people’s bums and some kind of anal pain. “Butt hurt remainers” “butt hurt rejoinders” , Sudocrem etc I thought that after brexit you lot might move on or be happier but everything is still about brexit and remainers except now they’re butt hurt.
It’s over move on.
El stovey said:
Vanden Saab said:
Not bothered at all. Many foreign Govs try interfere in others elections its part of the job description. If the people involved were not rabid anti-brexiteers or actually were interested in all interference including the EUs own efforts I might be interested but as they are not then it can be safely labelled as butt-hurt...
Where’s this weird focus on being butt hurt suddenly come from. The frothier brexit PHers are all going on about it. It seems a bit weird all these old blokes adopting an Americanism about people’s bums and some kind of anal pain. “Butt hurt remainers” “butt hurt rejoinders” , Sudocrem etc I thought that after brexit you lot might move on or be happier but everything is still about brexit and remainers except now they’re butt hurt.
It’s over move on.
Vanden Saab said:
El stovey said:
Vanden Saab said:
Not bothered at all. Many foreign Govs try interfere in others elections its part of the job description. If the people involved were not rabid anti-brexiteers or actually were interested in all interference including the EUs own efforts I might be interested but as they are not then it can be safely labelled as butt-hurt...
Where’s this weird focus on being butt hurt suddenly come from. The frothier brexit PHers are all going on about it. It seems a bit weird all these old blokes adopting an Americanism about people’s bums and some kind of anal pain. “Butt hurt remainers” “butt hurt rejoinders” , Sudocrem etc I thought that after brexit you lot might move on or be happier but everything is still about brexit and remainers except now they’re butt hurt.
It’s over move on.
Vanden Saab said:
May be you should direct that at those who seem unable to 'move on'
The points raised by the isc happen to include (but are not limited to) the referendum.That doesn't automatically mean that anyone querying the inaction by the Government on the isc report is "unable to move on".
Honestly it's a bit weird that you tell people to "move on" when you're the one making linking things to remain/leave.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Not sure this will get anywhere but interesting nonetheless.
Legal action taken against PM over refusal to investigate Kremlin meddling
A report came out that showed there was no proof of anything.Legal action taken against PM over refusal to investigate Kremlin meddling
In the backdrop of everything that is happening right now, is this really the right time to be doing this sort of thing?
I'm not wholly suggesting people shouldn't be able to take the govt to court - though do think there needs to be greater sanction if it was found to be a waste of time! - but now? There's no GE for 4yrs, no evidence that the last one was even remotely influenced. So what's the point in diverting public resources to it right now?
Murph7355 said:
A report came out that showed there was no proof of anything.
In the backdrop of everything that is happening right now, is this really the right time to be doing this sort of thing?
I'm not wholly suggesting people shouldn't be able to take the govt to court - though do think there needs to be greater sanction if it was found to be a waste of time! - but now? There's no GE for 4yrs, no evidence that the last one was even remotely influenced. So what's the point in diverting public resources to it right now?
I didn't say they should do it right now because as you say other things are going on.In the backdrop of everything that is happening right now, is this really the right time to be doing this sort of thing?
I'm not wholly suggesting people shouldn't be able to take the govt to court - though do think there needs to be greater sanction if it was found to be a waste of time! - but now? There's no GE for 4yrs, no evidence that the last one was even remotely influenced. So what's the point in diverting public resources to it right now?
I don't think that's the issue here I think the issue is the lack of commitment to do anything about the recommendations.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/132172400...
Leaked Government documents reveal special procurement channels for ‘VIPs’ and Cabinet contacts - and opportunities for 35-45% profit margins for insiders.
Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices.
Lord Bethell, a junior Health Minister, promised that “suppliers will be evaluated by Departmental officials on their financial standing.” But questions arose over how enormous contracts came to be awarded to dormant or new entities and those of dubious financial standing including:
PPE Medpro won two contracts worth over £200m to supply PPE to the NHS. The £100 company, set up by the former business associate of Conservative peer Baroness Mone, won the contract just seven weeks after it was set up.
SG Recruitment UK Limited, a staffing agency, won two PPE contracts worth over £50m, despite auditors raising concerns about its solvency. Tory Peer Lord Chadlington sits on the Board of its parent company, Sumner Group Holdings Limited.
P14 Medical Limited, controlled by former Conservative Councillor Steve Dechan, who stood down in August this year, was awarded three contracts worth over £276m despite having negative £485,000 in net assets.
The leaked documents disclose that special procurement channels – outside the normal process – were set up for VIPs.
Leaked Government documents reveal special procurement channels for ‘VIPs’ and Cabinet contacts - and opportunities for 35-45% profit margins for insiders.
Leaked documents seen by Good Law Project set out special pathways by which “VIP” and “Cabinet Office” contacts could be awarded lucrative PPE contracts at the height of the pandemic – and at inflated prices.
Lord Bethell, a junior Health Minister, promised that “suppliers will be evaluated by Departmental officials on their financial standing.” But questions arose over how enormous contracts came to be awarded to dormant or new entities and those of dubious financial standing including:
PPE Medpro won two contracts worth over £200m to supply PPE to the NHS. The £100 company, set up by the former business associate of Conservative peer Baroness Mone, won the contract just seven weeks after it was set up.
SG Recruitment UK Limited, a staffing agency, won two PPE contracts worth over £50m, despite auditors raising concerns about its solvency. Tory Peer Lord Chadlington sits on the Board of its parent company, Sumner Group Holdings Limited.
P14 Medical Limited, controlled by former Conservative Councillor Steve Dechan, who stood down in August this year, was awarded three contracts worth over £276m despite having negative £485,000 in net assets.
The leaked documents disclose that special procurement channels – outside the normal process – were set up for VIPs.
IforB said:
Red 4 said:
Pigs at the trough.
Corruption, cronyism and fraud. Don't expect anything to come of it though.
The thing that gets me is how unmoved and unsurprised by this I feel. I mean, it's hardly like we didn't know they were utterly corrupt already.Corruption, cronyism and fraud. Don't expect anything to come of it though.
The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men - Plato.
Sadly, I see exactly where you are coming from.
Red 4 said:
IforB said:
Red 4 said:
Pigs at the trough.
Corruption, cronyism and fraud. Don't expect anything to come of it though.
The thing that gets me is how unmoved and unsurprised by this I feel. I mean, it's hardly like we didn't know they were utterly corrupt already.Corruption, cronyism and fraud. Don't expect anything to come of it though.
The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men - Plato.
Sadly, I see exactly where you are coming from.
IforB said:
The leaked documents disclose that special procurement channels – outside the normal process – were set up for VIPs.
People keep quoting, very carefully, that contracts were "worth" X million - has anyone got the figures on what was actually delivered?I know from people in the bio-tech community that every "entrepreneur" in the country was ordering (or trying to order) containers of PPE in March, with the intention of making a quick buck. We had a couple of tech startups offering us all their staff (who were otherwise sat on their backsides) just to try to get access to the supply chain.
The vast majority of the proposals came to nothing and were quietly shelved. Lots of people, who had been claiming their stuff was "worth" a fortune (based on the usual dodgy startup maths) went back to their day jobs punting fart apps on the Play store.
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