Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Given the events going on in the Labour party today how do people square this one away? 
Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
My mind boggles at how decent, traditional conservatives would want / accept their party being associated with these fringe fascists.Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
Starmer has had an excellent day. He has the ammo to deal with the festering electoral boil that is Corbyn.
He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
Carl_Manchester said:
IforB said:
Starmer has had an excellent day. He has the ammo to deal with the festering electoral boil that is Corbyn.
Burgon? Nandy? Butler? Abbott? I fear he will run out of needles before he runs out of electoral boils.
Not sure why she gets a mention. She was outspoken about Corbyn throughout. One of the earliest to accept Brexit too.
She sticks out like a sore thumb amongst those other names.
markyb_lcy said:
Carl_Manchester said:
IforB said:
Starmer has had an excellent day. He has the ammo to deal with the festering electoral boil that is Corbyn.
Burgon? Nandy? Butler? Abbott? I fear he will run out of needles before he runs out of electoral boils.
Not sure why she gets a mention. She was outspoken about Corbyn throughout. One of the earliest to accept Brexit too.
She sticks out like a sore thumb amongst those other names.
Keep going chaps. This thread is all the better for it.
Tuna said:
IforB said:
Starmer has had an excellent day.
This is a very strange definition of an "excellent" day.The next election isn't for 4 years.
Dealing with this nonsense once and for all now is exactly what he and Labour need.
In 4 years time, this will be well in the past and Labour will be far stronger than they are today.
If Johnson is still in post, they will walk it.
Carl_Manchester said:
IforB said:
Starmer has had an excellent day. He has the ammo to deal with the festering electoral boil that is Corbyn.
Burgon? Nandy? Butler? Abbott? I fear he will run out of needles before he runs out of electoral boils.
Tuna said:
IforB said:
Starmer has had an excellent day.
This is a very strange definition of an "excellent" day.He is a modern day Sir Galahad.
Sir Keir has come charging over the hill on his brave stallion and taken his seat at The Round Table.
You may recall that this seat was fatal to lesser mortals but he will now embark upon the quest for The Holy Grail.
We know that both Sir Keir and Sir Galahad are capable of astonishing feats and miracles such as banishing demons (eg Boris) and healing the sick.
This is merely the start of a new, glorious adventure for Sir Kier. I wish him well.
He is sure to succeed.
markyb_lcy said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Given the events going on in the Labour party today how do people square this one away?
Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
My mind boggles at how decent, traditional conservatives would want / accept their party being associated with these fringe fascists.Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
If so, is it actually the case that the Conservative party representatives are 'associated' with fringe fascists (which are elected?), or is it that they form one end of a spectrum of broadly aligned voting within a group?
IforB said:
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He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
Out of interest, what would you do?He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
It seems that what they are trying to do is be balanced at a pretty granular level to try and not close everything where its not needed, but to close up where it is.
Forget cases, hospital admissions, ICU beds and deaths all seem to be on the rise...so you can't just sit and do nothing. At least not until you know this isn't just a blip or can't be pulled under control with measures (if you can prove it can, then release it again later).
Locking everything down right now would be bonkers when you still have large chunks of the country that have pretty low rates - as an example, where I live the rates are about a third of the average....what's the point in locking down here just yet (though my lovely council did request being put into tier 2 - more pragmatism needed IMO, but there you go).
Locking nothing down and saying "fq it" will simply lead to those areas that haven't been diligent enough already getting much worse and potentially out of control.
I suspect it may be inevitable that all places will creep up the tier scale in time. But I'm not convinced that rapid clamping down everywhere, nor doing nothing, is yet the right course of action.
(If the data on how long "immunity" might last starts to look concrete, then at that point we'll have no choice but to take a very different approach...and tbh I can see the logic in telling the vulnerable to shield and letting everyone else get on with it. But can also see that is a tough call).
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
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He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
Out of interest, what would you do?He's also able to show leadership in sharp contrast to the Blonde buffoon, who with the latest info about the numbers of infections and the gathering reality of this second wave, is looking less and less like a person with any ability to make hard decisions.
I mean, we all know he is rubbish at it, but blimey. Yet again backing the wrong strategy and neither taking the decision to go "stuff it, we are opening up and taking the pain" or "we are locking down and taking that pain."
We are just sleepwalking into lockdown and all the badness that brings.
It seems that what they are trying to do is be balanced at a pretty granular level to try and not close everything where its not needed, but to close up where it is.
Forget cases, hospital admissions, ICU beds and deaths all seem to be on the rise...so you can't just sit and do nothing. At least not until you know this isn't just a blip or can't be pulled under control with measures (if you can prove it can, then release it again later).
Locking everything down right now would be bonkers when you still have large chunks of the country that have pretty low rates - as an example, where I live the rates are about a third of the average....what's the point in locking down here just yet (though my lovely council did request being put into tier 2 - more pragmatism needed IMO, but there you go).
Locking nothing down and saying "fq it" will simply lead to those areas that haven't been diligent enough already getting much worse and potentially out of control.
I suspect it may be inevitable that all places will creep up the tier scale in time. But I'm not convinced that rapid clamping down everywhere, nor doing nothing, is yet the right course of action.
(If the data on how long "immunity" might last starts to look concrete, then at that point we'll have no choice but to take a very different approach...and tbh I can see the logic in telling the vulnerable to shield and letting everyone else get on with it. But can also see that is a tough call).
The problem we have is that we are already on the backside of the drag curve. Not only that, we don't have the tools to manage it either.
We are up the creek. The paddle is missing. The canoe has many holes.
Dealing with any problem is always worse if it is left. Act early and it is easier.
I don't think there is an easy way out now. You can see the inevitable lockdown coming, as it is the only thing that has been done that had any noticeable impact. The problem is, the lockdown will be much longer and more damaging than it would have been had it been done earlier.
Whatever happens now, will be too little, too late but the economic and social impact will be massive.
Johnson has let the boil fester. Unlike Starmer acting decisively today and starting to cut out his problem. Johnson is now risking blood poisoning by having not acted when he should.
Lockdown or don't lockdown. That was the decision early on. He did neither and took the lazy path of fudging it.
100k a day infections right now. That leaky canoes now has crocodiles circling too.
Tuna said:
IforB said:
100k a day infections right now.
Really?If you're on your arse in bed, fever, coughing and no taste then there's no point in a test, and you're highly unlikely to fancy driving to a testing centre anyway
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Given the events going on in the Labour party today how do people square this one away?
Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
Given that we currently appear to be governed by the political equivalent of the contents of the Mail Online comment section I'm not surprised at all.Boris Johnson condemned for ‘appalling’ Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe
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