CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[MikeT66]

a311 said:

Brave Fart said:

Elysium said:

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Lockdowns destroy lives and wreak unbelievable harm. The Tier system doesn’t work and circuit breakers don’t work.
Sooner or later we are going to need to shrug our shoulders and face this.
I say we do it now.

Couldn't agree more Elysium, well said. Trouble is, I think those of us who think this way are in a small minority. Boris and Hancock are beyond stupid and will double down on their fear mongering. The Labour party wants a national lockdown, and we can see what Sturgeon and Drakeford think, let alone the NI assembly. Germany, yes Germany, is going for tougher measures.

As you say, we can face this. Or we can pretend that stricter measures are needed, and my sense is that they're inevitable. I have ceased to be angry and frustrated; there's no point because the herd is too scared to be rational. Christmas is cancelled. So be it. I'm opening a bottle of red. Cheers!

Thirded. The Germans going for a lockdown who were seen to handle the first wave well, leaves me zero hope the same won't happen in the UK in the near future. The inevitability is depressing in itself.

My area of Cumbria is sparsely populated. Infections are low but rising. None of this makes sense.

Nothing has really made snese since late April, I think. Watching the government/SAGE try and control such a virus has been like watching someone trying to swat a fly with a cricket bat in a china shop. The conceited hubris has been phenomenal - I'm still unsure whether sheer ineptitude or nefarious planning is the more scary option... but I fear that our political class have neither the balls or sense to shrug their shoulders and face anything; least of all their own expensive failure.

[tigamilla]

Brave Fart said:

Couldn't agree more Elysium, well said. Trouble is, I think those of us who think this way are in a small minority. Boris and Hancock are beyond stupid and will double down on their fear mongering. The Labour party wants a national lockdown, and we can see what Sturgeon and Drakeford think, let alone the NI assembly. Germany, yes Germany, is going for tougher measures.

As you say, we can face this. Or we can pretend that stricter measures are needed, and my sense is that they're inevitable. I have ceased to be angry and frustrated; there's no point because the herd is too scared to be rational. Christmas is cancelled. So be it. I'm opening a bottle of red. Cheers!

I just came off a local Facebook group where someone re-posted a Piers Morgan tweet about deaths going up (no st) and then was screaming for further lockdowns with the usual "if only people had done as they were told" which has become a trigger phrase for me because its class A finger pointing / and simultaneous virtue signaling BS.

When asked why they wanted further lockdowns, the answer was to stop the hospitals being overrun - didn't really matter what I said, (and was being polite) all his arguments led to "we must not let the hospitals be overrun, they are filling up" etc. I would love to know what jobs these people hold down that make them think lockdowns wont eventually catch up with them as they have the thousands of newly unemployed up and down the country.

So there you have you have it: we MUST continue this incredible act self harm and parrot style chant about not letting hospitals become overrun.

In a slight positive bit of news, it's interesting to see that Matt Hancock has been called out on his statements on long-covid as being wrong. It seems to be mostly an over 70s problem not as the media would like us to believe, a thirty something year old marathoner's issue:

https://fullfact.org/health/matt-hancock-long-covi...

[cherryowen]

MikeT66 said:

Watching the government/SAGE try and control such a virus has been like watching someone trying to swat a fly with a cricket bat in a china shop.

Brilliant analogy

Love it

[Boringvolvodriver]

And France are now going into a second national lockdown from Friday. Deaths are running at 500 a day apparently.

Place your bets guys on when we will enter our 2nd national lockdown........

I am going for 5pm on Friday 13 November.

Edited to add

“cant have the French doing something we are not” says Johnson to his cabinet of idiots

Edited by Boringvolvodriver on Wednesday 28th October 19:36

[the-photographer]

France updates

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201028-live-f...

[HoHoHo]

Boringvolvodriver said:

And France are now going into a second national lockdown from Friday. Deaths are running at 500 a day apparently.

Place your bets guys on when we will enter our 2nd national lockdown........

I am going for 5pm on Friday 13 November.

Edited to add

“cant have the French doing something we are not” says Johnson to his cabinet of idiots

Edited by Boringvolvodriver on Wednesday 28th October 19:36

I think you’re spot on give or take a well or so.

Boris and his chums appear to have no idea how this is ending and I’m sitting here thinking what the fk are they going to do next April when the silver bullet vaccine isn’t working, numbers are still there and we’ve totally run out of free money.

What a total ststorm we are in, how depressing

[isaldiri]

Boringvolvodriver said:

And France are now going into a second national lockdown from Friday. Deaths are running at 500 a day apparently.

Impressively France are going for the full stay at home order with the silly paper swearing on your honour to need to go out and shutting all non essential businesses it seems, not merely like germany who has just shut hospitality and encouraged staying at home.

One starts and all the lemmings follow unfortunately...... The grandiose french prat no doubt thought he'd get extra kudos for being the first so thought he'd get stuck in first.....

[anonymous-user]

Leaving schools open. Like fortifying your entire house but leaving the front door open.

[djc206]

isaldiri said:

Impressively France are going for the full stay at home order with the silly paper swearing on your honour to need to go out and shutting all non essential businesses it seems, not merely like germany who has just shut hospitality and encouraged staying at home.

One starts and all the lemmings follow unfortunately...... The grandiose french prat no doubt thought he'd get extra kudos for being the first so thought he'd get stuck in first.....

Well except for keeping schools open thereby completely undermining the whole premise of a lockdown which is to prevent households from mixing. What a colossal waste of time/money/jobs/futures/lives.

[djc206]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Leaving schools open. Like fortifying your entire house but leaving the front door open.

The maginot line of lockdowns

[Newc]

I wonder if the trouble spot cities like Marseille will kick off with this. There were minor riots in the summer when the restaurants and bars were restricted again.

[anonymous-user]

HoHoHo said:

I think you’re spot on give or take a well or so.

Boris and his chums appear to have no idea how this is ending and I’m sitting here thinking what the fk are they going to do next April when the silver bullet vaccine isn’t working, numbers are still there and we’ve totally run out of free money.

What a total ststorm we are in, how depressing

Indeed.

It's all pretty depressing, because all I can think at the moment is "What is the end game?".

It seems to me that the government aren't doing any strategising except for thinking that all this will simply 'blow over' one day... possibly.

[mondeoman]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Leaving schools open. Like fortifying your entire house but leaving the front door open.

... and the windows, and the heating on MAX in the middle of a heatwave.

Pointless, and expensive.

[Elysium]

Boringvolvodriver said:

And France are now going into a second national lockdown from Friday. Deaths are running at 500 a day apparently.

Place your bets guys on when we will enter our 2nd national lockdown........

I am going for 5pm on Friday 13 November.

Edited to add

“cant have the French doing something we are not” says Johnson to his cabinet of idiots

And God help us all.

I keep thinking about Sumptions speech. The Govt are not idiots, they simply do not care.

The removal of our rights was cynical and everyone embraced it with open arms.

Our democracy and our way of life surrendered at the first sign of danger.

Resist.

[stitched]

cherryowen said:

MikeT66 said:

Watching the government/SAGE try and control such a virus has been like watching someone trying to swat a fly with a cricket bat in a china shop.

Brilliant analogy

Love it

Still unsure what can be done about it though, I've contacted my MP several times requesting she challenge her party leaders.
All response I got was patronising twaddle about how I didn't understand the seriousness of the situation.
She's about half my age and about an eighth of my mental age IMO.
Even forcing a referendum would be unlikely to have the effect I want.
I feel completely powerless to do anything about this madness.

[Steve vRS]

isaldiri said:

Impressively France are going for the full stay at home order with the silly paper swearing on your honour to need to go out and shutting all non essential businesses it seems, not merely like germany who has just shut hospitality and encouraged staying at home.

One starts and all the lemmings follow unfortunately...... The grandiose french prat no doubt thought he'd get extra kudos for being the first so thought he'd get stuck in first.....

Didn’t Macron say in the summer he wouldn’t do another lockdown? Or if not Macron, the french government.

[Elysium]

Newc said:

I wonder if the trouble spot cities like Marseille will kick off with this. There were minor riots in the summer when the restaurants and bars were restricted again.

I hope so. I really do.

This is becoming very very serious.

[Otispunkmeyer]

JagLover said:

The Spruce Goose said:

On the news, cases doubling, second wave, hospital admissions doubling. Are any of these statements based on facts?

They might well all be correct. Whether we should be worried by these events is another matter entirely.

Hospital admissions and deaths still only a fraction of the April peak and cases increasing far less rapidly than they did then.

After all a doubling of 1 is 2! OMG.

Going by my own districts numbers.... doubling things are not. They're on the steep downward curve.

djc206 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

On the news, cases doubling, second wave, hospital admissions doubling. Are any of these statements based on facts?

Well because they’ve decided to define a case as a positive PCR which absolutely isn’t a case in its own right (as per the BMJ) and a death is any cause within 28 days of a positive test then no they’re utterly worthless statistics. Complete and utter bks.

I think this really needs to be questioned harder. As Mr Yeadon had said in the podcast, PCR is an excellent tool but its not suitable for how they are using it and the way they're using it.

Its a laboratory test they're doing out in the field, in tents, with people who mean well but aren't properly skilled to be doing the tests. Its a sensitive test as well, able to show live or dead/incomplete virus as positive and has a known false positive rate of 0.8 % (by the Irish HSE). Thats a very low rate, but as we know, the prevalence of the virus by the ONS data seems to be even lower.

I don't think the false positives are quite on the order than Yeadon claims (nearly all of them), but I feel sure that there will be a healthy number of them and that he is essentially right in that continuing to test in such a way and at such a level pretty much guarantees that there will always be "cases".

I see boots now sell a 12 minute test for £120 so now the panic stricken can go test themselves regardless and be relived of a decent chunk of money in the process.

[usn90]

I just don’t understand the point of a full lockdown but keeping schools open, all the sacrifice aspects of the lockdown itself is immediately undone the second the school gates open each morning.

You have to seriously question the motives of those in charge when they come up with such decisions.

[Vanden Saab]

For the few who do not listen to talk radio, this mornings interview with Neil Oliver is well worth a listen. For full disclosure I also have to admit to enjoying listening to Richard Madeley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaErb5sOD4w