Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 8)

[kayc]

Jimboka said:

Social distancing
Mask wearing
Etc
The measures taken to contain Covid will obviously reduce seasonal flu transmission

Oh come on..you seriously believe that..the packets on the masks even say they dont prevent Covid..Covid is just another word for Flu...Flu rates are down because its being called Covid.

[motco]

JagLover said:

dmahon said:

kayc said:

So slightly off topic but interesting that Uk flu rate is 10 times lower this year than last according to PHE..and last year was low anyway..is Covid just Flu?600 cases of Flu across the whole of the UK last week..really?..i think the govt needs to answer a few questions.

Or is Coronavirus just killing the people who are so vulnerable they would have been killed by flu this year?

This was a theory quite early on which was dismissed and labelled as crackpot, when the data strongly points towards a large degree of overlap in that population.

I don't think that is a theory ever dismissed.

Even Ferguson, the cheerleader for ever more lockdown as long as it doesnt impact his love life, said that a proportion of deaths were those expected to die in the next year in any case.

It seems to me to be obvious that by avoiding contact to prevent catching covid19, people have avoided catching flu as well. Probably syphilis, gonorrhoea and chlamydia are down as well!

[motco]

anonymous said:

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Perhaps so, but the subject was the flu rate, not necessarily the flu death rate. If you avoid one contagious disease then others are avoided too by the same action.

[markyb_lcy]

anonymous said:

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More or less yea. We shouldn’t forget though that flu kills children, especially younger ones, whilst covid evidently does not (generally).

[rich888]

isaldiri said:

i4got said:

Really - my impression is that the UK wave 2 has been much less that other European wave 2s. We've certainly not stressed our services in any way.

A little better perhaps but not really all that different. And our services never did get stressed earlier as the NHS simply turfed out and/or stopped treating a lot of people in spring....



For whatever reason, the countries that were harder hit earlier had relatively worse outcomes than nearby neighbours again now. .

isaldiri I had just commented about this very graph you have posted on here on the other covid thread, any chance of you adding Sweden to it for comparison purposes?

[MOTORVATOR]

anonymous said:

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If you really want to start a lunacy discussion about masks, how about mentioning that the 'flu' figures that everyone quotes are actually largely made up of Pneumonia which more often than not in a normal year is caused by bacterial transmission not viral,

Cloth coverings over the face are hugely more effective at stopping bacterial transfer than viral due to the particle size so are likely doing much more for reducing the misquoted flu numbers than they are covid.

Wear a mask today and save a child.

[Uggers]

Jim the Sunderer said:

New Business Traveller exemption: From 4am on Sat 5th Dec high-value business travellers??will no longer need to self-isolate when returning to ENGLAND from a country NOT in a travel corridor, allowing more travel to support the economy and jobs. Conditions apply.


Rich business travellers are too important to use a telephone during a pandemic.

What a disgrace.

I think you misunderstand the world and think all high value workers are drones in suits.

If you can tell me how I can launch my ROV 1500m below the waterline to guide and land out a BOP via telephone I'm all ears.

I'm not sure I consider myself high value, but looking at how much I've paid in income tax the last 9 months. I do feel somewhat aggrieved that I'm not exactly getting value for money from the government during this whole sorry charade.

I also have no doubt they'll come looking for more from me to help fill the £500billion black hole we have created, with bugger all to show for it.

[markyb_lcy]

anonymous said:

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Too late

Fair point on the particle size though, motorvator.

[pquinn]

Uggers said:

I think you misunderstand the world and think all high value workers are drones in suits.

I think you didn't read the announcement. Some people want it broadened to cover more stuff but right now it's only drones/sport/news/arts that are covered.

[Uggers]

pquinn said:

I think you didn't read the announcement. Some people want it broadened to cover more stuff but right now it's only drones/sport/news/arts that are covered.

So I was right, not all of them are 'rich businessman'.

[motco]

anonymous said:

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Is it not the case that many viral particles are borne on the carrier of spittle and aerosols from the mouth rather than floating about as discrete viruses something like free radicals?

[markyb_lcy]

anonymous said:

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Much of the tiny viral particles are indeed suspended in larger respiratory (liquid) droplets however my understanding is that aerosol transmission relates to viral particles suspended in air?

My understanding is that sars-cov-2 can be shed in either/both of these ways, but I’ve no idea of the average percentage make-up of it.

The aerosol suspended particles can in theory pass through many of the cheap masks we use, based simply on their particle size. Medical/ industrial grade masks (FFP2 and FFP3 etc) have other methods aside from a simple physical barrier to stop viral particles getting through so even though the virus particle is physically small enough to pass through the mask, other features of these masks attempt to prevent it.

[Alucidnation]

anonymous said:

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So, mask wearing can help?

[markyb_lcy]

Alucidnation said:

So, mask wearing can help?

I believe so yes. Certainly the medial grade masks will. The cheap non-standardised ones, less so, but perhaps some difference, yes. I’ve never said it doesn’t make any difference

What I’m concerned with is the proportionality of it. As in ... does it make enough difference to justify criminalising the non-wearing of it in the settings which it has.

On that, my belief is that it doesn’t make enough of a difference to justify mandating it in the settings it has been.

I was in a hospital a few weeks back, and I wore a mask. This is a setting in which I can agree with it, though I think there should be minimum standards for the mask itself.

[rich888]

markyb_lcy said:

Alucidnation said:

So, mask wearing can help?

I believe so yes. Certainly the medial grade masks will. The cheap non-standardised ones, less so, but perhaps some difference, yes. I’ve never said it doesn’t make any difference

What I’m concerned with is the proportionality of it. As in ... does it make enough difference to justify criminalising the non-wearing of it in the settings which it has.

On that, my belief is that it doesn’t make enough of a difference to justify mandating it in the settings it has been.

I was in a hospital a few weeks back, and I wore a mask. This is a setting in which I can agree with it, though I think there should be minimum standards for the mask itself.

Having watched all the parents waiting to pick their kids up wearing masks in the rain it does make me wonder if there will be a surge in respiratory issues following on from reusing masks that have mould and other nasties growing inside them. Leave a piece of moist bread out for a few days and watch what happens!

[Alucidnation]

rich888 said:

markyb_lcy said:

Alucidnation said:

So, mask wearing can help?

I believe so yes. Certainly the medial grade masks will. The cheap non-standardised ones, less so, but perhaps some difference, yes. I’ve never said it doesn’t make any difference

What I’m concerned with is the proportionality of it. As in ... does it make enough difference to justify criminalising the non-wearing of it in the settings which it has.

On that, my belief is that it doesn’t make enough of a difference to justify mandating it in the settings it has been.

I was in a hospital a few weeks back, and I wore a mask. This is a setting in which I can agree with it, though I think there should be minimum standards for the mask itself.

Having watched all the parents waiting to pick their kids up wearing masks in the rain it does make me wonder if there will be a surge in respiratory issues following on from reusing masks that have mould and other nasties growing inside them. Leave a piece of moist bread out for a few days and watch what happens!

Why would mould form on the inside of a mask?

[Tuna]

This is desperate stuff.

[Mahalo]

[ruggedscotty]

markyb_lcy said:

ruggedscotty said:

Its been pretty intense and a lot of st going on for many. but I do think were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

Of course, I hope you’re right with this, but more and more I’m losing what little faith I have left.

I know markyb-Icy its been a ste year indeed. early parts of the year Ill admit what i was seeing in the media terrified me. Keep in there and do believe the worse is over...

[Alucidnation]

Mahalo said: