Welsh lockdown

[wobert]

Rh14n said:

wobert said:

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Try calling your GP for a routine appointment and being told the earliest availability they have is 4 weeks away....

I think you need to move surgeries. Ours offers same-day appointments if you call early enough in the day. No problem here.

See above.

It’s the same all over North Wales.

Note my original comment stated ‘routine’ appointment.

If you state it’s ‘urgent’ you can get an appointment within a few days, but that’s akin to abusing A&E for out of hours provision.

[Rh14n]

phil_cardiff said:

Nickbrapp said:

bmwmike said:

Have to agree. I actually voted against devolution originally but im now glad we have it and long may it continue to grow. Just need a change from labour if even for a while.

Hahahahahahaha a change from labour? You’ll be bloody lucky, I live in wales and when you talk to people about change they just say well maggie closed the mines and can’t quite grasp that in 20 years of labour in charge their lives haven’t improved.

I think devolution is pointless, what has it actually bought that’s worthy of noting?

Pros
Free prescriptions?

Cons
Didn’t remove SDLT for first time buyers
Cancelled M4 relief road
Even more confusing Covid rules
Massive cost
Can’t get any Job in public sector unless you can speak welsh. (Surely that’s discrimination)
A total wet melt in charge.

You can get a public sector job without speaking Welsh. That's a common misconception.

+1. Some jobs require differing levels of Welsh. Anyway, is that a bad thing if a Welsh person wants to access a service in Welsh? How would you feel if you couldn't find someone in your public service who couldn't speak English?

[voyds9]

55palfers said:

ChevronB19 said:

Apart from the paranoia, it’s ‘Corbynite’. I think Corbanites appeared in Dr Who in about 1971.

There was corbomite on Star Trek ages ago

And the effects would have been the same

[voyds9]

Rh14n said:

+1. Some jobs require differing levels of Welsh. Anyway, is that a bad thing if a Welsh person wants to access a service in Welsh? How would you feel if you couldn't find someone in your public service who couldn't speak English?

So all councils employees in Birmingham must speak Urdu or Hindi?

[bmwmike]

Nickbrapp said:

bmwmike said:

Have to agree. I actually voted against devolution originally but im now glad we have it and long may it continue to grow. Just need a change from labour if even for a while.

Hahahahahahaha a change from labour? You’ll be bloody lucky, I live in wales and when you talk to people about change they just say well maggie closed the mines and can’t quite grasp that in 20 years of labour in charge their lives haven’t improved.

I think devolution is pointless, what has it actually bought that’s worthy of noting?

Pros
Free prescriptions?

Cons
Didn’t remove SDLT for first time buyers
Cancelled M4 relief road
Even more confusing Covid rules
Massive cost
Can’t get any Job in public sector unless you can speak welsh. (Surely that’s discrimination)
A total wet melt in charge.

I suppose one argument for devolution might be the same argument that won brexit - being in charge of ones own rules etc, or at least having the potential to hold those accountable and them being reasonably local, than having it all run from a different country.

[bmwmike]

voyds9 said:

Rh14n said:

+1. Some jobs require differing levels of Welsh. Anyway, is that a bad thing if a Welsh person wants to access a service in Welsh? How would you feel if you couldn't find someone in your public service who couldn't speak English?

So all councils employees in Birmingham must speak Urdu or Hindi?

do please explain your workings out here

[moorx]

Nickbrapp said:

Can’t get any Job in public sector unless you can speak welsh. (Surely that’s discrimination)

Simply not true. I work for the NHS and don't speak Welsh.

[Dissident Dragon]

Having worked in Economic Development in Wales for almost 25 years (in a private capacity I might add) one of the biggest failings of all was the abolition of the Welsh Development Agency. Rhodri Morgan trashed an Internationally recognised brand because of a personal spat.

Despite the best efforts of Welsh Government Officers on the front line since, the Peter principle is definitely alive and well in the upper echelons of the Welsh Government. Nothing they do surprises me any more. We will forever be a backwater with Labour in charge but, unfortunately, I can't see that changing any time - ultimately they're teflon. It's still 'bloody Thatcher' and that is passed down from generation to generation.

One day I will write a book about my experiences. Inept and corrupt doesn't even come close!

[voyds9]

bmwmike said:

do please explain your workings out here

Large percentage of the local population don't speak enough English to communicate effectively on vital matters (probably a larger percentage than those in Wales who cannot speak English)
So if the reasoning is to be understood then it is possibly more important in areas where the population don't speak (or very little) English.

[MG CHRIS]

So 150million has been spent on the non existent m4 relief road, 100million on a airport nobody uses, 10 million on a race track that hasn't been built and millions on getting tvr to be built here which hasn't gone anywhere. Not to forget health board in special measures for 5 years and many other in dire standards.
I can well understand why the north has abandoned the labour party even myself living 25 miles from the wag feel abandoned by them.

But but but Maggie closed our pits that's why we vote labour is still the norm in the valleys depressingly.

I do actually agree with devolution also voted Brexit but my god welsh labour have fked up everything they have touched.

Edited by MG CHRIS on Sunday 25th October 10:40

[BlackLabel]

“ A second Wales-wide lockdown in the new year is looking increasingly likely, according to a cabinet minister.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54681885

[Rh14n]

voyds9 said:

Rh14n said:

+1. Some jobs require differing levels of Welsh. Anyway, is that a bad thing if a Welsh person wants to access a service in Welsh? How would you feel if you couldn't find someone in your public service who couldn't speak English?

So all councils employees in Birmingham must speak Urdu or Hindi?

Not in my opinion, but they should speak some English as that is the traditional language of England. Are there any council employees in Birmingham who do not speak English?

[MG CHRIS]

BlackLabel said:

“ A second Wales-wide lockdown in the new year is looking increasingly likely, according to a cabinet minister.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54681885

We wont come out of lockdown this side of Christmas we be back into local lockdown but without pubs/ clubs/ resturants/ cinemas/ gyms etc being open anything that involves people coming together im convinced of it the wag will do everything possible not to show how badly the state of the nhs is in wales under the disguise of protecting the people and the nhs.
More like covering their arse for elections next year.

[oyster]

phil_cardiff said:

anonymoususer said:

Escy said:

It's following the advice from Sage.

No
It's interpreting the advice from Sage
And making a mess of it

Michael Gove has a lot to answer for. We truly live in a post-expert age.

The Welsh Govt have taken advice from Sage and used half term as an opportunity to attempt to slow the spread of the virus whilst trying to minimise the economic impact.

Fair enough if you don't agree with this decision but if you can't see the reasons behind it then I don't know what to say.

Why aren’t the economists’ advice being listened to though? Or the mental health experts?

Why is the virus expert advice always seen as more important?

[phil_cardiff]

scrubchub said:

phil_cardiff said:

You'll learn more by doing your own research rather than being told.

Remember when I called you 'supercilious' yesterday? Well, I rest my case. Add patronising and condescending to it as well.

Why should I spend my Sunday researching something for someone else's benefit?

[phil_cardiff]

oyster said:

phil_cardiff said:

anonymoususer said:

Escy said:

It's following the advice from Sage.

No
It's interpreting the advice from Sage
And making a mess of it

Michael Gove has a lot to answer for. We truly live in a post-expert age.

The Welsh Govt have taken advice from Sage and used half term as an opportunity to attempt to slow the spread of the virus whilst trying to minimise the economic impact.

Fair enough if you don't agree with this decision but if you can't see the reasons behind it then I don't know what to say.

Why aren’t the economists’ advice being listened to though? Or the mental health experts?

Why is the virus expert advice always seen as more important?

I think they are being listened to hence the measures being temporary and not as draconian as they could be. I'm referencing both the UK government and Welsh Government here.

Have they got the balance right? Who knows? Time will tell I guess.

[Biker 1]

How long until Wales is a total economic basket case???? Looks like a nonstop cycle of lockdown after lockdown:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54681885

[Nickbrapp]

Biker 1 said:

How long until Wales is a total economic basket case???? Looks like a nonstop cycle of lockdown after lockdown:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54681885

You would think after one they would realise they don’t bloody work so why keep going and going and going. Completely useless , just like WAG

[Plymo]

Just had this reply from a conservative MS about it all:

"Hello – apologies for the late reply.



As you’ve picked up by now, I and my Welsh Conservative colleagues don’t support a full national lockdown and we wont be supporting the regulations introducing it when we finally get to vote on them. We think a much more nuanced, localised approach. It seems to be good enough for Scotland and England so I can’t agree with the First Minister when he says national lockdown is the “only” way to do this.



Unfortunately, regulations aren’t amendable like draft statutes: It’s yes or no, I’m afraid.



The point about businesses having invested in being covid-secure is bang on, as is the rest of your analysis. Even the government’s medical and scientific advisors acknowledge that it’s not shopping, gyms etc which are the high risk activities.



We’ve asked for the Senedd to be recalled this week (it’s half term) to try and sort all this out."



- it's good to see that some people in the welsh government are not completely insane!
It's also quite clear they are unhappy about it not being voted on, even though they would probably lose it would allow them to ask some of the important questions that need to be asked... They can hardly claim it was urgent, it was announced a week before it came into force after all, plenty of time for a debate and vote

[SAB888]

On Sunday afternoon, Mr Drakeford said the implementation of the rules may be tweaked, but the "basic decision" behind the ban was the right one.

So basically stuff you all. You can still buy Vodka though so it's all fine, not.