Welsh lockdown
Discussion
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
wobert said:
Certainly there’s a groundswell in N Wales that we are the ignored half of the Welsh population and this predates Covid.
I do find it odd how Welsh Labour will continually talk of UK Gov being London-centric, and then WG do almost the exact same by being South Wales/Cardiff-centric.Wales has a huge problem with political apathy, and people continually voting for who their family/friends vote for. I have no idea how this is changed, as historically it has been massively favourable towards Welsh Labour.
Wales is a single party state with no real hope of change, and where Welsh Labour have performed so poorly that a notable number of people are seeking independence.
I still don't understand why the people of Wales don't just vote for a different party and change the country in weeks, instead of pushing for a decades long goal of independence.
Wales is a single party state with no real hope of change, and where Welsh Labour have performed so poorly that a notable number of people are seeking independence.
I still don't understand why the people of Wales don't just vote for a different party and change the country in weeks, instead of pushing for a decades long goal of independence.
Matt.. said:
Wales has a huge problem with political apathy, and people continually voting for who their family/friends vote for. I have no idea how this is changed, as historically it has been massively favourable towards Welsh Labour.
Wales is a single party state with no real hope of change, and where Welsh Labour have performed so poorly that a notable number of people are seeking independence.
I still don't understand why the people of Wales don't just vote for a different party and change the country in weeks, instead of pushing for a decades long goal of independence.
Pretty much a large part of the demographic vote for who their father/mother/family always voted for, but it is slowly changing. Here in Carmarthenshire Plaid still have a hold but that is shrinking and both they and Labour only managed to retain control of the Sened after jumping into political bed together. Their chummyness seems to be slipping too.Wales is a single party state with no real hope of change, and where Welsh Labour have performed so poorly that a notable number of people are seeking independence.
I still don't understand why the people of Wales don't just vote for a different party and change the country in weeks, instead of pushing for a decades long goal of independence.
Also factor in the migration into Wales of English families that do not have this generational fixation with the 'family' vote and things they are a changing.
Edited by Marlin45 on Friday 16th April 16:40
Matt.. said:
wobert said:
Certainly there’s a groundswell in N Wales that we are the ignored half of the Welsh population and this predates Covid.
I do find it odd how Welsh Labour will continually talk of UK Gov being London-centric, and then WG do almost the exact same by being South Wales/Cardiff-centric.If it wasn't Cardiff/Newport or the valleys it didn't get a look in.
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
eccles said:
Matt.. said:
wobert said:
Certainly there’s a groundswell in N Wales that we are the ignored half of the Welsh population and this predates Covid.
I do find it odd how Welsh Labour will continually talk of UK Gov being London-centric, and then WG do almost the exact same by being South Wales/Cardiff-centric.If it wasn't Cardiff/Newport or the valleys it didn't get a look in.
Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
phil_cardiff said:
eccles said:
Matt.. said:
wobert said:
Certainly there’s a groundswell in N Wales that we are the ignored half of the Welsh population and this predates Covid.
I do find it odd how Welsh Labour will continually talk of UK Gov being London-centric, and then WG do almost the exact same by being South Wales/Cardiff-centric.If it wasn't Cardiff/Newport or the valleys it didn't get a look in.
Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
I would suggest 90% of the news report by the National Welsh press is biased towards Cardiff and The Valleys.
What goes on in the Senedd is the same.
The people of N Wales are a forgotten people compared to those down in South Wales..
The thing that makes me smile is they only get a consideration at election time, then another 5 years pass before they are remembered again.
It’s the same with financing, health etc.....
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
Is this desperate need poverty related?
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
Is this desperate need poverty related?
Some have fallen through the cracks of the benefits system, I.e waiting for benefits to start after a job loss, but still having a family to feed.
Why?
phil_cardiff said:
The population ratio is probably 2:1 so you'd expect there to be more Southern based news, but I agree there's a Cardiff-centric slant.
Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
When I was first posted to Anglesey with the RAF I couldn't drive and the train journey home to Swansea was a huge undertaking with averaging anything between 8 and 13 hours!Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
You come via Crewe, Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff or ever sometimes because it was quicker, London.
Chatting to an American Air Force engineer about travelling home he couldn't believe to tortuous the journey was and joked he could fly home to America and get an internal flight quicker than I could get home!
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
Is this desperate need poverty related?
Some have fallen through the cracks of the benefits system, I.e waiting for benefits to start after a job loss, but still having a family to feed.
Why?
eccles said:
phil_cardiff said:
The population ratio is probably 2:1 so you'd expect there to be more Southern based news, but I agree there's a Cardiff-centric slant.
Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
When I was first posted to Anglesey with the RAF I couldn't drive and the train journey home to Swansea was a huge undertaking with averaging anything between 8 and 13 hours!Talking of North and South Wales, ever notice how the major road and rail routes run West to East into England, or flow to a port, and not North-South? No wonder we're a divided nation.
You come via Crewe, Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff or ever sometimes because it was quicker, London.
Chatting to an American Air Force engineer about travelling home he couldn't believe to tortuous the journey was and joked he could fly home to America and get an internal flight quicker than I could get home!
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
phil_cardiff said:
MG CHRIS said:
wobert said:
Likewise, I’ve been helping distribute Covid food packages (4,000 in total) plus another (3,000) lunchtime food packs for children, to those in desperate need over the past 12 months.
Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all fking useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.
Agreed fully on that just another layer of politics that we really don't need.Unfortunately this shows where the cracks are in the political system that is supposedly in place, to support these individuals.
Instead we rely on support from big companies, fundraising and volunteers to sort the day-to-day stuff that shouldn’t need sorting...
So my comments are based on what I see with my eyes, rather what some Cardiff-based politico would like me to think.
They are all f
king useless, if I had my way the devolved administration would disappear overnight.If you don't like extra layers of politics why not remove the top level?
Not at all.
You be totally wrong, but as the saying goes, to assume is to make an ASS out of U and ME
The top level, Westminster runs the UK, whereas Cardiff WAG is like the next level county council..hence they serve little purpose.
Is this desperate need poverty related?
Some have fallen through the cracks of the benefits system, I.e waiting for benefits to start after a job loss, but still having a family to feed.
Why?
People who were previously able to support themselves who now can’t isn’t poverty, it’s that they’ve fallen on hard times.
Universal credit has created a situation where there’s a gap between being able to claim and actually getting the money.
If you’ve lost your job with no payment in lieu of notice or redundancy and you have no savings, then you are stuffed in terms of supporting those around you.
The group I help have had people contacting them to ask for food and provisions as their cupboards are bare.
If the WAG wanted to do something different then that’s within their remit, the fact that they don’t speaks volumes.
They shout about having tax raising powers but choose not to use them...
Since you mentioned food banks, why not volunteer for one?
I think your eyes might be truly opened to the situation on the ground in Wales. Yes there are areas of poverty around Wales, that seems to be endemic, but the people I’ve supported are not those.
That the population keep voting these clowns in says it all, you get what you vote for....
Keep up the good work wobert.
In terms of choices, WG made it statutory on local authorities to effectively take people off the streets and theoretically end homelessness. That was a pandemic response, but displays it could have been done previously.
Much like the wider general packages of finances across the UK, it shows lots of things are *choices* rather than defined by a strict set of finances with the old 'you wouldnt run your home budget like that' type spiel.
Back on topic, the vaccine rollout appears to be going very well in Wales still.
In terms of choices, WG made it statutory on local authorities to effectively take people off the streets and theoretically end homelessness. That was a pandemic response, but displays it could have been done previously.
Much like the wider general packages of finances across the UK, it shows lots of things are *choices* rather than defined by a strict set of finances with the old 'you wouldnt run your home budget like that' type spiel.
Back on topic, the vaccine rollout appears to be going very well in Wales still.
twitterjournotype said:
4 and a half months into the #COVID19 vaccine rollout and this is the adult population coverage across the UK:
First doses
Wales 65.7%
England 61.8%
Scotland 61.4%
NI 58.5%
Second Doses AKA Fully Vaccinated
Wales 22.8%
NI 17.2%
England 16.8%
Scotland 15.5%
Source https://twitter.com/gillibrandpeter?lang=en who is doing regular stats updates. First doses
Wales 65.7%
England 61.8%
Scotland 61.4%
NI 58.5%
Second Doses AKA Fully Vaccinated
Wales 22.8%
NI 17.2%
England 16.8%
Scotland 15.5%
wobert said:
I disagree.
People who were previously able to support themselves who now can’t isn’t poverty, it’s that they’ve fallen on hard times.
Universal credit has created a situation where there’s a gap between being able to claim and actually getting the money.
If you’ve lost your job with no payment in lieu of notice or redundancy and you have no savings, then you are stuffed in terms of supporting those around you.
The group I help have had people contacting them to ask for food and provisions as their cupboards are bare.
If the WAG wanted to do something different then that’s within their remit, the fact that they don’t speaks volumes.
They shout about having tax raising powers but choose not to use them...
Since you mentioned food banks, why not volunteer for one?
I think your eyes might be truly opened to the situation on the ground in Wales. Yes there are areas of poverty around Wales, that seems to be endemic, but the people I’ve supported are not those.
That the population keep voting these clowns in says it all, you get what you vote for....
As far as I'm aware the benefit system is entirely run from Westminster. If universal credit is failing people (and it is) then I don't understand your ire directed at the Welsh Government in this instance.People who were previously able to support themselves who now can’t isn’t poverty, it’s that they’ve fallen on hard times.
Universal credit has created a situation where there’s a gap between being able to claim and actually getting the money.
If you’ve lost your job with no payment in lieu of notice or redundancy and you have no savings, then you are stuffed in terms of supporting those around you.
The group I help have had people contacting them to ask for food and provisions as their cupboards are bare.
If the WAG wanted to do something different then that’s within their remit, the fact that they don’t speaks volumes.
They shout about having tax raising powers but choose not to use them...
Since you mentioned food banks, why not volunteer for one?
I think your eyes might be truly opened to the situation on the ground in Wales. Yes there are areas of poverty around Wales, that seems to be endemic, but the people I’ve supported are not those.
That the population keep voting these clowns in says it all, you get what you vote for....
I do some voluntary work at the moment but in mental health.
phil_cardiff said:
wobert said:
I disagree.
People who were previously able to support themselves who now can’t isn’t poverty, it’s that they’ve fallen on hard times.
Universal credit has created a situation where there’s a gap between being able to claim and actually getting the money.
If you’ve lost your job with no payment in lieu of notice or redundancy and you have no savings, then you are stuffed in terms of supporting those around you.
The group I help have had people contacting them to ask for food and provisions as their cupboards are bare.
If the WAG wanted to do something different then that’s within their remit, the fact that they don’t speaks volumes.
They shout about having tax raising powers but choose not to use them...
Since you mentioned food banks, why not volunteer for one?
I think your eyes might be truly opened to the situation on the ground in Wales. Yes there are areas of poverty around Wales, that seems to be endemic, but the people I’ve supported are not those.
That the population keep voting these clowns in says it all, you get what you vote for....
As far as I'm aware the benefit system is entirely run from Westminster. If universal credit is failing people (and it is) then I don't understand your ire directed at the Welsh Government in this instance.People who were previously able to support themselves who now can’t isn’t poverty, it’s that they’ve fallen on hard times.
Universal credit has created a situation where there’s a gap between being able to claim and actually getting the money.
If you’ve lost your job with no payment in lieu of notice or redundancy and you have no savings, then you are stuffed in terms of supporting those around you.
The group I help have had people contacting them to ask for food and provisions as their cupboards are bare.
If the WAG wanted to do something different then that’s within their remit, the fact that they don’t speaks volumes.
They shout about having tax raising powers but choose not to use them...
Since you mentioned food banks, why not volunteer for one?
I think your eyes might be truly opened to the situation on the ground in Wales. Yes there are areas of poverty around Wales, that seems to be endemic, but the people I’ve supported are not those.
That the population keep voting these clowns in says it all, you get what you vote for....
I do some voluntary work at the moment but in mental health.
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