How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)

[Ructions]

Following the success of outsourcing free school meals to the Premier League, the British Government is to handover responsibility for Brexit negotiations to the British Darts Organisation.

[Biggy Stardust]

Murph7355 said:

Quote one

Have you read "Of Mice and Men"? The EU is Lennie

Who's the guy with the glove full of vaseline?

[Mortarboard]

Sway said:

Seems pretty clear that you're stating the UK did indeed want EEA membership (Norway deal), plus other types of relationship that were not explored or requested by any British government.

FTAs rarely have strings, nor do they typically care about size of population - see CETA for an example (or indeed the vast majority of EU FTAs, which are with countries with lower populations (and certainly spending power) than the UK.

No FTA includes "cash to the EU". No FTA includes "EU rules". No one is suggesting "no access to UK fishing areas".

So thanks, that's five more false assertions made. Quite a list you're racking up, very quickly.

Sway, you have some serious blinkers on.

Norway style deal
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/1...

Swiss & Canada style deal
https://www.ft.com/content/37e45800-3ddf-11ea-b232...

Australia style deal
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-what-is-an-austr...

M.

[hutchst]

Mole-wacking season again I see.

[Sway]

Mortarboard said:

Sway said:

Seems pretty clear that you're stating the UK did indeed want EEA membership (Norway deal), plus other types of relationship that were not explored or requested by any British government.

FTAs rarely have strings, nor do they typically care about size of population - see CETA for an example (or indeed the vast majority of EU FTAs, which are with countries with lower populations (and certainly spending power) than the UK.

No FTA includes "cash to the EU". No FTA includes "EU rules". No one is suggesting "no access to UK fishing areas".

So thanks, that's five more false assertions made. Quite a list you're racking up, very quickly.

Sway, you have some serious blinkers on.

Norway style deal
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/1...

Swiss & Canada style deal
https://www.ft.com/content/37e45800-3ddf-11ea-b232...

Australia style deal
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-what-is-an-austr...

M.

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

[Mortarboard]

Sway said:

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

Then you're looking for cake, Sway.

M.

[B'stard Child]

Mortarboard said:

Sway said:

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

Then you're looking for cake, Sway.

M.

Talking of blinkers - it’s blinking annoying you sign off every post with M.

I can see who wrote it

Last PH’r who persistently did that signed off with “The Moose”

[anonymous-user]

hutchst said:

Mole-wacking season again I see.

[anonymous-user]

digimeistter said:

hutchst said:

Mole-wacking season again I see.

Will the Irish be wanting our moles as well as our fish and leccy?

[roger.mellie]

Ructions said:

Following the success of outsourcing free school meals to the Premier League, the British Government is to handover responsibility for Brexit negotiations to the British Darts Organisation.

Darts players are focussed on achieving their targets, it might work

[Helicopter123]

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

[Robertj21a]

Helicopter123 said:

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

So says that well known Brexit supporter.......

[rigga]

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

So says that well known Brexit supporter.......

Who's known for getting nothing right........ ever.

[roger.mellie]

Helicopter123 said:

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

For a more trivial example but one of many https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-547...

John Campbell’s a good reference for brexit-NI border matters BTW and as far as I’m aware has maintained impartiality in his reporting other than an obvious NI bias in how he presents the perspective.

Sway has convinced me that many customs issues should in theory be solvable known known problems at the individual case basis. Government/Whitehall’s preparedness to do this at scale is something I’m less convinced on. Ditto for some large businesses. See also the 50k customs agents etc.

[Tuna]

Helicopter123 said:

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

Return of red tape? You've never dealt with the EU, have you?

[Tuna]

Mortarboard said:

Or do you think no strings FTA for 60million customers is equitable for no strings FTA for 250 million customers?

You are a loon if you think that's how it works, and ignorant if you think the population is the key statistic.

[Unbusy]

B'stard Child said:

Mortarboard said:

Sway said:

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

Then you're looking for cake, Sway.

M.

Talking of blinkers - it’s blinking annoying you sign off every post with M.

I can see who wrote it

Last PH’r who persistently did that signed off with “The Moose”

Bert, where for art thou?

[FiF]

Unbusy said:

B'stard Child said:

Mortarboard said:

Sway said:

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

Then you're looking for cake, Sway.

M.

Talking of blinkers - it’s blinking annoying you sign off every post with M.

I can see who wrote it

Last PH’r who persistently did that signed off with “The Moose”

Bert, where for art thou?

Or Terminator X with Tx, another signature freak.

[Sway]

Mortarboard said:

Sway said:

None of those suggest that's what the UK wanted!



So, who has the blinkers?

Then you're looking for cake, Sway.

M.

Nope. Regular FTA - it is the EU that's asking for cake by requiring control over a third nation's sovereign territory...

The government has been exceptionally clear on this.

[Sway]

Helicopter123 said:

Red tape is back post-Brexit, but will it be ready?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54709209

An interesting article from Faisal highlighting the return of red tape, and problems with IT systems designed to cope with it.

Looks an absolute mess.

There's a huge amount of nonsense there...

Funny how not a single company is willing to stand up and say they done fked up not getting their st together.

Type "customs declaration service" into Google - see how long the government system has been up and running, and how many integrated software providers there are offering to link into your ERP/MRP system.

To suggest 3-6 months of testing for a given firm is utter bullst - we implemented full systems into Oracle (and then SAP) to AEO standards, in under six weeks half a decade ago. The software cost, iirc, £16k to achieve this.

That's dealing with hundreds of millions in inbound/outbound materials and goods - and some of those materials/goods are "special", with levels of export controls and such.

The sole issue that takes time, is if your material item masters don't have the appropriate data - which is a data entry issue and a massive oversight for anyone shipping between nations, irrespective of customs union.