Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.
Discussion
TheGreatDane said:
franki68 said:
If it was cultural why do we see the same behaviour from different cultures (why does an african muslim do the same thing as an eastern european muslim for example ?)
Which is exactly my point, the majority follow what Saudi culture is.TheGreatDane said:
i4got said:
The bit in bold is the bit I don't get. I get that Muslims have certain rules that they have to stick to. But if you're not a muslim then none of those rules apply to you. Why are muslim norms being applied to a secular teacher. Arguably one of, if not the, biggest freedom of speech story in France in recent times was the Mohammed pictures story. Its a valid thing for a teacher to teach his kids about in a freedom of speech class.
It seems that your viewpoint that a teacher doing his job and breaking no laws gets remembered as a bit of a prat and that that is something that its OK for sane people to think.?
I would say that most sane people don't think that - it smacks of victim blaming - and am surprised that you say these are the views of your sane friends.
Maybe I should have provided more context to my point, its a very sensitive subject in France given their demographics.It seems that your viewpoint that a teacher doing his job and breaking no laws gets remembered as a bit of a prat and that that is something that its OK for sane people to think.?
I would say that most sane people don't think that - it smacks of victim blaming - and am surprised that you say these are the views of your sane friends.
I completely believe in freedom of speech but would I err some caution depending on where I was? Yes.
It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.If I went to the Southern States and sprouted something deeply offensive to the people there, I don't imagine I'd make it out.
The teacher in question did not romp off to Saudi and paint a cartoon in the middle of a mosque.
If he had then I'd look on it as an interesting form of suicide, he showed pictures of a historic figure in order to make a point about freedom of speech, against a background of an appalling violent act in the city.
Prior to showing these images he tried to ensure anyone who would feel offended could remove themselves.
Your popping over to the south of U.S.A. analogy is not correct.
TheGreatDane said:
biggbn said:
Can I say a big thanks to Mr GreatDane. Some wonderful, informative posts there. Thank you.
Appreciate it pal.The verse you are using to say killing is wrong in Islam, can you give the reference? It would be useful for readers of this thread to read it for themselves.
liam1986 said:
TheGreatDane said:
biggbn said:
Can I say a big thanks to Mr GreatDane. Some wonderful, informative posts there. Thank you.
Appreciate it pal.The verse you are using to say killing is wrong in Islam, can you give the reference? It would be useful for readers of this thread to read it for themselves.
articles about the Qu'ran. But what do I know, I've been told on this very thread I only hold my opinions because I have 'a muslin friend'
Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 27th October 14:28
TheGreatDane said:
fesuvious said:
How are you with Israel?
Happy to see Israel exist and prosper?
Apart from a small group wanting to eradicate Palestine I have zero issues with Israel.Happy to see Israel exist and prosper?
Key point being its a small group not all of Israel.
Plus they make the best hummus I've ever had in my life.
biggbn said:
liam1986 said:
TheGreatDane said:
biggbn said:
Can I say a big thanks to Mr GreatDane. Some wonderful, informative posts there. Thank you.
Appreciate it pal.The verse you are using to say killing is wrong in Islam, can you give the reference? It would be useful for readers of this thread to read it for themselves.
articles about the Qu'ran. But what do I know, I've been told on this very thread I only hold my opinions because I have 'a muslin friend'
Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 27th October 14:28
TheGreatDane said:
I never stated my interpretation is right and others wrong, its my interpretation and I take what I have learnt and adapt it to western values and as a result I live a peaceful and prosperous life so I see no need to change it.
I stated a fact previously that Islam says you don't kill innocent people and these idiots that do literally go against a fundamental belief of the religion. The reason why they do if I were to hazard a guess? Either they've been told killing a "kuffar" gets them into heaven or its because they've been radicalised by someone to see everyone is out to get them.
My point regarding non-muslim countries is a large majority of muslims have more compassion towards muslims on the other side of the world due to the daily ststorm they are enduring.
I asked for an example of a non-muslim country which is suffering from such events.
So we are in agreement then ??I stated a fact previously that Islam says you don't kill innocent people and these idiots that do literally go against a fundamental belief of the religion. The reason why they do if I were to hazard a guess? Either they've been told killing a "kuffar" gets them into heaven or its because they've been radicalised by someone to see everyone is out to get them.
My point regarding non-muslim countries is a large majority of muslims have more compassion towards muslims on the other side of the world due to the daily s
tstorm they are enduring. I asked for an example of a non-muslim country which is suffering from such events.
Your interpretation is a western friendly one, that is perfectly fair and you live your life as you see fit.
Yet your post last night at 10:41pm, said that the bad things in islam are "misinterpreted by wackos". Which would suggest you think that those interpretations are wrong ?
So are there right and wrong interpretations or just interpretations ?
If Saudi's interpretation is deemed the most literal, is their interpretation right and your's wrong ?
Surely even "innocent" is open to interpretation. Can a non muslim living a life of sin really be innocent ?
Today of course they can, but 1500 years ago maybe they weren't
What daily s
t storm are Muslims enduring ??TheGreatDane said:
franki68 said:
If it was cultural why do we see the same behaviour from different cultures (why does an african muslim do the same thing as an eastern european muslim for example ?)
Which is exactly my point, the majority follow what Saudi culture is.coolg said:
TheGreatDane said:
I never stated my interpretation is right and others wrong, its my interpretation and I take what I have learnt and adapt it to western values and as a result I live a peaceful and prosperous life so I see no need to change it.
I stated a fact previously that Islam says you don't kill innocent people and these idiots that do literally go against a fundamental belief of the religion. The reason why they do if I were to hazard a guess? Either they've been told killing a "kuffar" gets them into heaven or its because they've been radicalised by someone to see everyone is out to get them.
My point regarding non-muslim countries is a large majority of muslims have more compassion towards muslims on the other side of the world due to the daily ststorm they are enduring.
I asked for an example of a non-muslim country which is suffering from such events.
So we are in agreement then ??I stated a fact previously that Islam says you don't kill innocent people and these idiots that do literally go against a fundamental belief of the religion. The reason why they do if I were to hazard a guess? Either they've been told killing a "kuffar" gets them into heaven or its because they've been radicalised by someone to see everyone is out to get them.
My point regarding non-muslim countries is a large majority of muslims have more compassion towards muslims on the other side of the world due to the daily s
tstorm they are enduring. I asked for an example of a non-muslim country which is suffering from such events.
Your interpretation is a western friendly one, that is perfectly fair and you live your life as you see fit.
Yet your post last night at 10:41pm, said that the bad things in islam are "misinterpreted by wackos". Which would suggest you think that those interpretations are wrong ?
So are there right and wrong interpretations or just interpretations ?
If Saudi's interpretation is deemed the most literal, is their interpretation right and your's wrong ?
Surely even "innocent" is open to interpretation. Can a non muslim living a life of sin really be innocent ?
Today of course they can, but 1500 years ago maybe they weren't
What daily s
t storm are Muslims enduring ??t storm.Of course so are non Muslims but I think his point stands.
stitched said:
Wherever you point the finger of blame Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria are truly enduring a daily st storm.
Of course so are non Muslims but I think his point stands.
Muslims in Afghanistan suffer as one group of Muslims want to be more religious than another ?t storm.Of course so are non Muslims but I think his point stands.
That has nothing to do with the west or western values or anybody living in Europe.Sunni vs Shia have been killing each other for ever..
coolg said:
biggbn said:
liam1986 said:
TheGreatDane said:
biggbn said:
Can I say a big thanks to Mr GreatDane. Some wonderful, informative posts there. Thank you.
Appreciate it pal.The verse you are using to say killing is wrong in Islam, can you give the reference? It would be useful for readers of this thread to read it for themselves.
articles about the Qu'ran. But what do I know, I've been told on this very thread I only hold my opinions because I have 'a muslin friend'
Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 27th October 14:28
biggbn said:
You said what is your experience, you know a Muslim? Ok, so I paraphrased, but that is what you said, so I decided to leave it at that. All the best brother man, have a great evening!
Your experience of Travellers was jaundiced by the fact that you were a "big ugly lump in a police uniform" (or words to that effect)Your experience here ???
coolg said:
biggbn said:
You said what is your experience, you know a Muslim? Ok, so I paraphrased, but that is what you said, so I decided to leave it at that. All the best brother man, have a great evening!
Your experience of Travellers was jaundiced by the fact that you were a "big ugly lump in a police uniform" (or words to that effect)Your experience here ???
Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 27th October 16:35
biggbn said:
I don't think my experiences were jaundiced? They would have been influenced directly by my dealings with them, and I can remember saying I'm sure some of them are wrong un's also, but intake people, and treat people as i find them, not how they are portrayed by others and a media keen on promoting division and discord. And I've never been a policeman brother, wrong fella.
Apologies i assumed you were.Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 27th October 16:35
Edited by coolg on Tuesday 27th October 16:40
coolg said:
So we are in agreement then ??
Your interpretation is a western friendly one, that is perfectly fair and you live your life as you see fit.
Yet your post last night at 10:41pm, said that the bad things in islam are "misinterpreted by wackos". Which would suggest you think that those interpretations are wrong ?
So are there right and wrong interpretations or just interpretations ?
If Saudi's interpretation is deemed the most literal, is their interpretation right and your's wrong ?
Surely even "innocent" is open to interpretation. Can a non muslim living a life of sin really be innocent ?
Today of course they can, but 1500 years ago maybe they weren't
What daily st storm are Muslims enduring ??
Threw me off there, I assume you mean 10.41am.Your interpretation is a western friendly one, that is perfectly fair and you live your life as you see fit.
Yet your post last night at 10:41pm, said that the bad things in islam are "misinterpreted by wackos". Which would suggest you think that those interpretations are wrong ?
So are there right and wrong interpretations or just interpretations ?
If Saudi's interpretation is deemed the most literal, is their interpretation right and your's wrong ?
Surely even "innocent" is open to interpretation. Can a non muslim living a life of sin really be innocent ?
Today of course they can, but 1500 years ago maybe they weren't
What daily s
t storm are Muslims enduring ??Take for example in the quran it says defend yourself vs those who attack you and your religion, back when it was written I assume this was rife.
Who attacks a religion now? Hardly anyone. If someone takes a FB post by an individual as an attack on the religion and deems it bad enough that they should die based on what the texts say, that to me is a grade A nutjob.
Saudi is now a fallacy. On the outside its all textbook muslims, behind the scenes they're doing whatever the hell they feel like.
Its personal opinion, I apply logic to my religion and have it so I'm following it and living peacefully.
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