Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.

[DAVEVO9]

BrundanBianchi said:

Anyone who subscribes to the teachings of someone who would be classified as a paedophile, in the modern world, who said he flew round the moon on a magic donkey, really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

A classic case of mental illness

[Drezza]

Is it racist to criticise Islam? Seems the term is loosely thrown around these days... Anyway, how did attacker know that the teacher had shown a picture of Mo' unless a kid from the class had told him? Must be links to a child?

[Olivera]

ChevronB19 said:

There’s a difference between ‘debate’ and outright racism...

Islam isn't a race

[DAVEVO9]

Olivera said:

ChevronB19 said:

There’s a difference between ‘debate’ and outright racism...

Islam isn't a race

No
It’s a fked up book of fairytales

[jdw100]

Just to add..considering some of the comments on here..

I live with 250,000,000 Muslims - not in the same house; there would be too much of a queue for the bathroom in the morning.

Amount of times I have been threatened with death = 0.


Amount of times I have been threatened with death in UK by Christians = 1

Amount of times I have been called an abomination by Christians in the UK and had large wooden crosses thrust at me = 1

Amount of times I have been threatened with death by a football fan for not liking football = 1

I think it’s hard to understand people’s thinking on these issues if you don’t, personally, have any beliefs.

There’s no issue I care about enough or ‘believe’ in that I think could make me want to murder/hurt someone.

That said, I’m sure many people in Germany in the 20/30s thought the same. Rwanda as well.

Look at USA where abortion laws have led to murder and I’m sure many more would like to murder over it if they could. Hindus/Muslims in India..acts which make no sense to us but do to them.

Many of us on here just haven’t been steeped in an ideology where by killing someone for a slight against their belief system makes absolute sense.

I do wonder how many people on here would commit violence? There’s a lot of right-wing hatred against the ‘woke brigade’, immigrants, s etc. How much would it take to push one person on here over the edge and to kill someone for ideological reasons?

People also murder people for other reasons, way more often. I’d be less worried about a Muslim chopping me noggin off than someone killing me for money- and I’m not worrying about that either. I’m genuinely more worried about football fans....no, not really (sometimes a bit)

I’ve read people gleefully discussing serving Muslims pork without telling them, or slipping meat based gravy on to a vegetarian’s plate. Ha ha ha. I imagine those people might be really upset if I invited them for dinner and served up dog, telling them it was beef. (It’s actually okay, but I wouldn’t want it regularly)

I’m no fan of religion - I met an ex-JW the other week. Disfellowshipped as he was asking too many challenging questions of his Elders. Hadn’t spoken to his family or friends in three years. He is dead to them.

If a religion can do that for going against their teachings its only a small step to killing someone. It could easily be justified. I just couldn’t imagine cutting off family like this, but as I say i have no beliefs, as such.

I know, though, that not all JWs behave like this...you can’t just write them all off because of the behaviour of a few.

I can argue with some depth about Christianity and to less depth Muslim beliefs. I can pull apart ‘faith’, show logical and philosophical errors, demonstrate fallacies, point out gross moral failings...etc etc...I have yet to convince anyone to change their beliefs, despite pointing out lots of issues with science, history . It’s hard to understand faith or belief if you do not have it.

Thankfully, events like the one in France, are very rare. Frothing at the mouth about ‘religion of peace’ is to my mind just ridiculous.

Much more effort needs to be spent on addressing these issues, rather than ‘fking Muslims going around killing people’ rhetoric. Knee jerk reactions never get us anywhere.

Was this guy just a loony anyway? Why did he feel he couldn’t go up the school and complain? What went into this guy committing an atrocious act? That’s where the effort needs to go.

Don’t get caught up in painting everyone with the same brush. In the same way some groups say all westerners are degenerate.

Disjointed, sorry, as juggling a three year old, two puppies and not had a coffee yet.

[CS Garth]

Great post JDW.

Juggling 2 puppies as well. Legend

[jdw100]

DAVEVO9 said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Anyone who subscribes to the teachings of someone who would be classified as a paedophile, in the modern world, who said he flew round the moon on a magic donkey, really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

A classic case of mental illness

It isn’t, look up mental illness. This is not a mass psychosis.

Where do your beliefs or view of they world come from? Parents, society, culture.

I’m sure that the majority of people could say that those of us with no god - well they must be mentally ill.

Or are you genuinely suggesting that a very high proportion of the world’s population are actually mentally ill?

That’s just a bigoted as saying that all people that don’t have a god are mentally ill.

Surely you know someone that has religious beliefs or other strong beliefs - are they mentally ill? A family member, a work colleague, that chap who served you a coffee this morning?

Do you have belief that your way of thinking is absolutely correct?

I have some quite spirited (ha ha) debates with people of different faiths -they are mentally ill?

I think they are wrong, they think I’m wrong.....

Ive met people who are convinced that crystal healing is real, against all evidence Chinese Medicine, climate change denying......and may other things that, in my option, do not conform to actual reality. Maybe you don’t agree with my dismissal of one or more things on that list - if you do disagree you are clearly mentally ill.

Hate the ideas, not the person.

[jdw100]

Oh

irc said:

Tom Logan said:

paulguitar said:

All religions are batst crazy.

Precisely this, some far more than others.

All religons are nonsense. Though most religons don't chop off the heads of people who disagree with them.

Historically that’s simply not true though.

Christians- millions. Including genocides, raping and murdering children.

You can trace a lot of Hitler’s hatred and scapegoating of Jews back to the beliefs of Martin Luther.

Catholics vs. Protestants - plenty of history there in the UK over the last 500 years.

Mormons. Buddhists. Hindus. Sikhs.....

We can probably find good examples of any religion doing this kind of st at some point in its history. Apart from some modern off-shoots or sects.

Scientologist don’t, Quakers (they are only 500 years old, i think?) very peaceful.

Always worth remembering that most religious people don’t go around killing other people on religious grounds.

It’s not ‘religions going around chopping heads off’ its a small percentage of people in that religion; usually at some extreme end of the spectrum. Most people just want to get on with their lives...

Yeah, but look at Saudi - they behead people all the time. Like most Saudi’s have any say in the matter....

Also, a lot of people are culturally religious; they go to a church/mosque etc because its what you do in that culture/country etc. They are not rabidly thinking about their religion (if at all) and how they can murder unbelievers...

Also don’t conflate politics with religion, although of course they can be well interlinked.

I agree that religions are nonsense - but to suggest somehow they are going around chopping heads off all the time is nonsense as well. It’s a few dreadful incidents in the global scene.

Why not have the same ire about other atrocities happening right now?

[skyrover]

Terrorist attacks in 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

Anyone notice a trend?

[gazza285]

skyrover said:

Terrorist attacks in 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

Anyone notice a trend?

Most of the victims were Muslim?

[bitchstewie]

There's a teach who's by all accounts pretty much had his head cut off.

Three pages in and from the very first comment this just seems to be yet another "something something muslims" thread.

Just my opinion but maybe just give the smallest hint of giving a st about the victim rather than seeing an opportunity?

[heebeegeetee]

Gromm said:

Je suis Charlie

Je ne suis pas Charlie. I also think religion is bat st crazy but I really do not like the desire to offend so much. It’s more hate speech than free speech imo.

[skyrover]

gazza285 said:

skyrover said:

Terrorist attacks in 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

Anyone notice a trend?

Most of the victims were Muslim?

The wrong kind of Muslim presumably

[lrdisco]

irc said:

Tom Logan said:

paulguitar said:

All religions are batst crazy.

Precisely this, some far more than others.

All religons are nonsense. Though most religons don't chop off the heads of people who disagree with them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

[heebeegeetee]

jdw100 said:

Just to add..considering some of the comments on here..

I live with 250,000,000 Muslims - not in the same house; there would be too much of a queue for the bathroom in the morning.

Amount of times I have been threatened with death = 0.


Amount of times I have been threatened with death in UK by Christians = 1

Amount of times I have been called an abomination by Christians in the UK and had large wooden crosses thrust at me = 1

Amount of times I have been threatened with death by a football fan for not liking football = 1

I think it’s hard to understand people’s thinking on these issues if you don’t, personally, have any beliefs.

There’s no issue I care about enough or ‘believe’ in that I think could make me want to murder/hurt someone.

That said, I’m sure many people in Germany in the 20/30s thought the same. Rwanda as well.

Look at USA where abortion laws have led to murder and I’m sure many more would like to murder over it if they could. Hindus/Muslims in India..acts which make no sense to us but do to them.

Many of us on here just haven’t been steeped in an ideology where by killing someone for a slight against their belief system makes absolute sense.

I do wonder how many people on here would commit violence? There’s a lot of right-wing hatred against the ‘woke brigade’, immigrants, s etc. How much would it take to push one person on here over the edge and to kill someone for ideological reasons?

People also murder people for other reasons, way more often. I’d be less worried about a Muslim chopping me noggin off than someone killing me for money- and I’m not worrying about that either. I’m genuinely more worried about football fans....no, not really (sometimes a bit)

I’ve read people gleefully discussing serving Muslims pork without telling them, or slipping meat based gravy on to a vegetarian’s plate. Ha ha ha. I imagine those people might be really upset if I invited them for dinner and served up dog, telling them it was beef. (It’s actually okay, but I wouldn’t want it regularly)

I’m no fan of religion - I met an ex-JW the other week. Disfellowshipped as he was asking too many challenging questions of his Elders. Hadn’t spoken to his family or friends in three years. He is dead to them.

If a religion can do that for going against their teachings its only a small step to killing someone. It could easily be justified. I just couldn’t imagine cutting off family like this, but as I say i have no beliefs, as such.

I know, though, that not all JWs behave like this...you can’t just write them all off because of the behaviour of a few.

I can argue with some depth about Christianity and to less depth Muslim beliefs. I can pull apart ‘faith’, show logical and philosophical errors, demonstrate fallacies, point out gross moral failings...etc etc...I have yet to convince anyone to change their beliefs, despite pointing out lots of issues with science, history . It’s hard to understand faith or belief if you do not have it.

Thankfully, events like the one in France, are very rare. Frothing at the mouth about ‘religion of peace’ is to my mind just ridiculous.

Much more effort needs to be spent on addressing these issues, rather than ‘fking Muslims going around killing people’ rhetoric. Knee jerk reactions never get us anywhere.

Was this guy just a loony anyway? Why did he feel he couldn’t go up the school and complain? What went into this guy committing an atrocious act? That’s where the effort needs to go.

Don’t get caught up in painting everyone with the same brush. In the same way some groups say all westerners are degenerate.

Disjointed, sorry, as juggling a three year old, two puppies and not had a coffee yet.

Religion and ideology have caused people to do terrible things for centuries. If anyone has any doubt, I would urge people to research the mother-and-baby homes in Ireland that operated until late last century, where effectively concentration camps were created for young women and children and nuns behaved like nazis.

Young women were worked to death because they had been deemed to have stepped outside the tight boundaries of their religion. Often they did this by being raped. Their children were abused and mistreated most cruelly. The sect that did most of this still operates in the United States, where there is denial against all evidence.

In my view, to not face the reality of religion, and to try to ‘explain away’, is to turn our backs on those young women and children who were treated so appallingly.

Do not underestimate the capacity of religion and ideology to remove the humanity from people. It’s just not fair to do so, imo.

Edited by heebeegeetee on Saturday 17th October 08:24

[coolg]

Biggy Stardust said:

The Buddhists tend to not make too much trouble in Europe.

Neither do Sikhs or Hindus or Rastafarian’s, in fact non of the other religions appear to create as many problems. Nor do members of these religions manage to Misunderstand the loving peaceful message so often.

Nor are these groups as over represented in our prison system, or poverty stats.

[coolg]

jdw100 said:

Much more effort needs to be spent on addressing these issues, rather than ‘fking Muslims going around killing people’ rhetoric. Knee jerk reactions never get us anywhere.

Don’t get caught up in painting everyone with the same brush. In the same way some groups say all westerners are degenerate.

How do you propose to address the word of god ? The influence for these acts are written in their religious texts, And are law in many Muslim countries.

Those in the west bowing down and doing are best not to upset Muslims is not the answer.

The problems in Europe are due to the clash in culture / freedom etc. If you live in a Muslim country that clash isn’t there but the issues are.

[JagLover]

Sam.M said:

Grim.

Meanwhile Macron is giving speeches about the dangers of a growing Islamist counterculture in France.

This’ll get worse before it gets better.

Bit late now to be warning about it.

Some religions and ideologies are simply incompatible with the western way of life. The only hope for many western European countries is that their new arrivals will adopt the widespread atheism of their new home.

[rodericb]

jdw100 said:

Just to add..considering some of the comments on here..

I live with 250,000,000 Muslims - not in the same house; there would be too much of a queue for the bathroom in the morning.

You must keep a relatively low profile and don't do things which might see you get some retribution, ha ha. Say something about how people vote due to their religion - blasphemy and two years in jail (Ahok). Drink alcohol, hold your girlfriends hand - caned (Aceh). Be a westerner - get blown up (Bali bombing). Be a westerner - get blown up (Australian Embassy bombing). Then there was the bombing in the Starbucks at the Sarinah department store and the bomb at the bus station in East Jakarta a couple of years back or thereabouts....

That said, the authorities do keep a very tight lid on it. Which is why there are security posts at a lot of large buildings and so on. Everyone you see on the street is just living their life and are dismayed at any attacks too.

[gazza285]

JagLover said:

Some religions and ideologies are simply incompatible with the western way of life.

Are motor vehicles also incompatible? Europe has on average less than 100 deaths a year from terrorism, yet over 20,000 people lost their lives in vehicle accidents. The threat from radicalised muslim terrorism is miniscule.