Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
I'm 99% certain Uni students won't be allowed back into digs after Christmas. They're all working remotely anyway...right now, it just seems they're all in their accommodation creating a Covid breading ground!
No they're not. As much in-person teaching as possible. Trust me, I know. I'm one of the ones delivering the teaching. All the first years are grumbling that they don't know anyone in their class because they haven't been able to socialise...MellowshipSlinky said:
BeastieBoy73 said:
MellowshipSlinky said:
I started back at the gym last month.
Only allowed 40 people at any one time, and you have to book your time.
On entry, you wash your hands and are given a cloth and spray bottle of sanitizer.
Before using any equipment you give it a spray, and again after you’ve done.
The staff are constantly going around cleaning equipment too.
At the end of your session you drop the cloth and bottle in a box at the exit.
Seems to work well, and I assume many gyms are doing the same as the infection rates in gyms is very low.
You have to book a slot at my gym, my daughter and I have been going 3 times a week since they opened. Hand sanitizer upon entry and exit. Wipe down after using each machine/bike/weight/whatever. The gym has never been so clean. We are going into tier 3 tonight and the gym is staying open. Happy days!Only allowed 40 people at any one time, and you have to book your time.
On entry, you wash your hands and are given a cloth and spray bottle of sanitizer.
Before using any equipment you give it a spray, and again after you’ve done.
The staff are constantly going around cleaning equipment too.
At the end of your session you drop the cloth and bottle in a box at the exit.
Seems to work well, and I assume many gyms are doing the same as the infection rates in gyms is very low.
Edited by BeastieBoy73 on Wednesday 28th October 23:35
poo at Paul's said:
Pressure will be on boris now the next couple of weeks, if he is going to do a national lockdown, sooner he does so the better, less pain, greater effect and quicker.
The sooner he does it (if indeed he is foolish enough to do so again) the more likely there be further lockdowns later on. Spring is a long way off. Edited by JagLover on Thursday 29th October 06:20
Why do we keep going on about a 2nd lockdown?
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
Thankyou4calling said:
Why do we keep going on about a 2nd lockdown?
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
What's with a new line for every sentence? Anger and bashing the return key?We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
I'm 99% certain Uni students won't be allowed back into digs after Christmas. They're all working remotely anyway...right now, it just seems they're all in their accommodation creating a Covid breading ground!
Not sure there is much point to this....they’ve all had it by now, judging by my daughter’s experience.Thankyou4calling said:
Why do we keep going on about a 2nd lockdown?
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
Thankyou4calling said:
Why do we keep going on about a 2nd lockdown?
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
I agree with you! We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher. Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
Red 4 said:
You do realise Tier 3 doesn't really add much over Tier 2, don't you ?
Additionally, some places - Blackburn, for example, have been subject to harsher restrictions compared to most places for months.
The effect of that has been, essentially, nothing. They currently have the highest infection rate in the country
The government can harp on about different tiers to provide the illusion that they are doing something but the reality is that it doesn't amount to much.
I just gave my prediction of what would happen. I never said I thought it was going to be effective.Additionally, some places - Blackburn, for example, have been subject to harsher restrictions compared to most places for months.
The effect of that has been, essentially, nothing. They currently have the highest infection rate in the country
The government can harp on about different tiers to provide the illusion that they are doing something but the reality is that it doesn't amount to much.
MrBarry123 said:
Red 4 said:
You do realise Tier 3 doesn't really add much over Tier 2, don't you ?
Additionally, some places - Blackburn, for example, have been subject to harsher restrictions compared to most places for months.
The effect of that has been, essentially, nothing. They currently have the highest infection rate in the country
The government can harp on about different tiers to provide the illusion that they are doing something but the reality is that it doesn't amount to much.
I just gave my prediction of what would happen. I never said I thought it was going to be effective.Additionally, some places - Blackburn, for example, have been subject to harsher restrictions compared to most places for months.
The effect of that has been, essentially, nothing. They currently have the highest infection rate in the country
The government can harp on about different tiers to provide the illusion that they are doing something but the reality is that it doesn't amount to much.
Most people have already made up their mind about whether they think it’s pointless, so besides besides stopping transmission in the settings they force closure upon it won’t have much of an impact.
Louis Balfour said:
Can someone more interested in the rules than me please clarify:
Tier 3 area.
Grandparents are in bubble.
Want to go out to a restaurant for my son’s birthday.
Restaurant has a marquee “attachment” since COVID.
Is it on or not?
As it’s grandparents (plural) they can’t be in a support bubble with you as it apples to single adult households (see below).Tier 3 area.
Grandparents are in bubble.
Want to go out to a restaurant for my son’s birthday.
Restaurant has a marquee “attachment” since COVID.
Is it on or not?
There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either.
In reality if the grandparents are happy to see you and the total is less than 6 there’s unlikely to be an issue. If anyone asks you can l:
Tell them to mind their own business
Tell them the grandparents live with you
Tell them it’s a business meeting
Gov website says
What a support bubble is
A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size.
This is called making a ‘support bubble’.
Once you’re in a support bubble, you can think of yourself as being in a single household with people from the other household. It means you can have close contact with that household as if they were members of your own household.
Once you make a support bubble, you should not change who is in your bubble.
Business meetings
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.c...
survivalist said:
As it’s grandparents (plural) they can’t be in a support bubble with you as it apples to single adult households (see below).
There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either.
In reality if the grandparents are happy to see you and the total is less than 6 there’s unlikely to be an issue. If anyone asks you can l:
Tell them to mind their own business
Tell them the grandparents live with you
Tell them it’s a business meeting
Gov website says
What a support bubble is
A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size.
This is called making a ‘support bubble’.
Once you’re in a support bubble, you can think of yourself as being in a single household with people from the other household. It means you can have close contact with that household as if they were members of your own household.
Once you make a support bubble, you should not change who is in your bubble.
Business meetings
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.c...
You have a slight contradiction:There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either.
In reality if the grandparents are happy to see you and the total is less than 6 there’s unlikely to be an issue. If anyone asks you can l:
Tell them to mind their own business
Tell them the grandparents live with you
Tell them it’s a business meeting
Gov website says
What a support bubble is
A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size.
This is called making a ‘support bubble’.
Once you’re in a support bubble, you can think of yourself as being in a single household with people from the other household. It means you can have close contact with that household as if they were members of your own household.
Once you make a support bubble, you should not change who is in your bubble.
Business meetings
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.c...
"There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either."
and then
"A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size."
vaud said:
survivalist said:
As it’s grandparents (plural) they can’t be in a support bubble with you as it apples to single adult households (see below).
There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either.
In reality if the grandparents are happy to see you and the total is less than 6 there’s unlikely to be an issue. If anyone asks you can l:
Tell them to mind their own business
Tell them the grandparents live with you
Tell them it’s a business meeting
Gov website says
What a support bubble is
A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size.
This is called making a ‘support bubble’.
Once you’re in a support bubble, you can think of yourself as being in a single household with people from the other household. It means you can have close contact with that household as if they were members of your own household.
Once you make a support bubble, you should not change who is in your bubble.
Business meetings
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.c...
You have a slight contradiction:There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either.
In reality if the grandparents are happy to see you and the total is less than 6 there’s unlikely to be an issue. If anyone asks you can l:
Tell them to mind their own business
Tell them the grandparents live with you
Tell them it’s a business meeting
Gov website says
What a support bubble is
A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size.
This is called making a ‘support bubble’.
Once you’re in a support bubble, you can think of yourself as being in a single household with people from the other household. It means you can have close contact with that household as if they were members of your own household.
Once you make a support bubble, you should not change who is in your bubble.
Business meetings
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.c...
"There’s also the rule of 6, so if your household is more than 4 it won’t work either."
and then
"A support bubble is a close support network between a household with only one adult in the home (known as a single-adult household) and one other household of any size."
It’s all madness really. Technically, as a household of four, we can’t have our friends round with their kids (also a household of 4) as there would be 8 of us. Yet it’s fine for our wives and kids to gather while the two dads go out for pint in the local, potentially increasing the chances of contacting a ‘deadly virus’.
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
The first time I went out in the car for some essentials during the lockdown was rather eary.The roads were empty, there was roadkill here and there. The crows were all over the roadkill and wouldn't budge when a car was coming because they were so used to the quiet roads so I had to go round them. It really did feel like a zombie film. Very surreal.
Thankyou4calling said:
Why do we keep going on about a 2nd lockdown?
We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
It was drastic enough to stop students going to school, people losing their jobs and not being able to feed their families, business shutting permanently after years of operating.We didn’t ever have one!
In March. Local shopping street. Tesco, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, wilko, Superdrug, Home Bargains, Halfords, Boots all open.
DIY stores, cafes, newsagents all open.
Pubs serving from windows.
I was out for a walk every day, popped round to see people, trains, buses, taxis all running.
People going to work in offices, shops, schools, factories.
No mask wearing.
By any stretch and compared to many countries you shouldn’t call it a lockdown. It sounds dramatic but it really wasn’t.
I’m not advocating that or a proper lockdown but it was hardly a tough regime.
I would say it was significant enough an impact to be called a lockdown.
Right were going into tier 3 from Monday, I’m a tad confused about the office, theres 4 of us currently going into the office, one just 2 days a week and I have an employee working from home full time as she’s pregnant.
Do we now have to work from home, we can but productivity is far higher when we are in the office so I really don’t want to halt the momentum we are building however I also don’t want slapping with a fine!
Do we now have to work from home, we can but productivity is far higher when we are in the office so I really don’t want to halt the momentum we are building however I also don’t want slapping with a fine!
leef44 said:
It was drastic enough to stop students going to school, people losing their jobs and not being able to feed their families, business shutting permanently after years of operating.
I would say it was significant enough an impact to be called a lockdown.
It was a form of lockdown, it just wasn't as harsh as France or Spain.I would say it was significant enough an impact to be called a lockdown.
leef44 said:
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
The first time I went out in the car for some essentials during the lockdown was rather eary.The roads were empty, there was roadkill here and there. The crows were all over the roadkill and wouldn't budge when a car was coming because they were so used to the quiet roads so I had to go round them. It really did feel like a zombie film. Very surreal.
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