Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)
Discussion
leef44 said:
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
The first time I went out in the car for some essentials during the lockdown was rather eary.The roads were empty, there was roadkill here and there. The crows were all over the roadkill and wouldn't budge when a car was coming because they were so used to the quiet roads so I had to go round them. It really did feel like a zombie film. Very surreal.
One evening I ran over a mile from my house, down the middle of the road. No cars
No chance now !
Jimboka said:
leef44 said:
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
The first time I went out in the car for some essentials during the lockdown was rather eary.The roads were empty, there was roadkill here and there. The crows were all over the roadkill and wouldn't budge when a car was coming because they were so used to the quiet roads so I had to go round them. It really did feel like a zombie film. Very surreal.
One evening I ran over a mile from my house, down the middle of the road. No cars
No chance now !
Jimboka said:
leef44 said:
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
The first time I went out in the car for some essentials during the lockdown was rather eary.The roads were empty, there was roadkill here and there. The crows were all over the roadkill and wouldn't budge when a car was coming because they were so used to the quiet roads so I had to go round them. It really did feel like a zombie film. Very surreal.
One evening I ran over a mile from my house, down the middle of the road. No cars
No chance now !
I got exercise escape London and use the Exige to it’s full potential, without SE dawdlers, eat ice cream on deserted beaches in +25 degree heat, get to know the neighbours better over BBQ’s and booze, a lot of booze....
Coolbananas said:
I agree with you! 
Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher.
Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
The above post deserves recognition and support. Have particular liking for the condemnation of those who align themselves to ideas they support in order to justify to themselves wriggling around rules and guidance to do as they likey, when it would take less effort to just get on with it. Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher. Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
One other thing, in the first wave I noticed a huge increase in community spirit, help each other to get through in all sorts of ways, seems less so now. Locally most folks were pitching in to support other neighbours who were vulnerable. Seems we are the only family still keeping to that effort, will be off out later sorting the weekly big shop for an 86 year old a few doors away, even her bloody kids who only live at most 30 minutes away can't be arsed. What a bloody awful place we have turned into.
FiF said:
Coolbananas said:
I agree with you! Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher.
Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
The above post deserves recognition and support. Have particular liking for the condemnation of those who align themselves to ideas they support in order to justify to themselves wriggling around rules and guidance to do as they likey, when it would take less effort to just get on with it. Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher. Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
One other thing, in the first wave I noticed a huge increase in community spirit, help each other to get through in all sorts of ways, seems less so now. Locally most folks were pitching in to support other neighbours who were vulnerable. Seems we are the only family still keeping to that effort, will be off out later sorting the weekly big shop for an 86 year old a few doors away, even her bloody kids who only live at most 30 minutes away can't be arsed. What a bloody awful place we have turned into.
There are other opinions no less valid.
And yes, I wear a mask when required to do so. But it is entirely in order not to put others in a difficult position; I don't think for a minute that mask wearing makes a significant difference in 99% of situations.
I'm no fan of masks, the main reasons being they are likely to be useless most of the time, and make things harder for certain people - those with hearing problems and autism especially.
And the general feeling of misery they create.
I am willing enough to wear one though, lots of people are genuinely scared and it will probably help stop them clamouring for more lockdowns...
And crucially it doesn't really do any harm, unlike shutting everything down!
Though we have this stupid full lockdown in Wales now anyway.
And it seems petrol stations don't mind me keeping my bike helmet on now, the visor would be my "face covering" so it would be a crime to take it off
And the general feeling of misery they create.
I am willing enough to wear one though, lots of people are genuinely scared and it will probably help stop them clamouring for more lockdowns...
And crucially it doesn't really do any harm, unlike shutting everything down!
Though we have this stupid full lockdown in Wales now anyway.
And it seems petrol stations don't mind me keeping my bike helmet on now, the visor would be my "face covering" so it would be a crime to take it off
So, did anyone watch yesterdays Spectator 60 Minutes on YouTube?
They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
Louis Balfour said:
It reads like sanctimony to me, but clearly it chimes with your own view.
There are other opinions no less valid.
And yes, I wear a mask when required to do so. But it is entirely in order not to put others in a difficult position; I don't think for a minute that mask wearing makes a significant difference in 99% of situations.
Well we are agreed, wearing a mask doesn't make a difference in 99% of situations, certainly where I am in the area of lowest infections per Govt figures as of 6pm yesterday, probably 99.999% of situations, but that wasn't the overall point of coolbanana's post, was it?There are other opinions no less valid.
And yes, I wear a mask when required to do so. But it is entirely in order not to put others in a difficult position; I don't think for a minute that mask wearing makes a significant difference in 99% of situations.
Sam.M said:
So, did anyone watch yesterdays Spectator 60 Minutes on YouTube?
They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
Their second wave predictions included a temporary lockdown (the flat spot on the curve) so it isn't surprising. They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
Louis Balfour said:
FiF said:
Coolbananas said:
I agree with you! Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher.
Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
The above post deserves recognition and support. Have particular liking for the condemnation of those who align themselves to ideas they support in order to justify to themselves wriggling around rules and guidance to do as they likey, when it would take less effort to just get on with it. Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher. Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
One other thing, in the first wave I noticed a huge increase in community spirit, help each other to get through in all sorts of ways, seems less so now. Locally most folks were pitching in to support other neighbours who were vulnerable. Seems we are the only family still keeping to that effort, will be off out later sorting the weekly big shop for an 86 year old a few doors away, even her bloody kids who only live at most 30 minutes away can't be arsed. What a bloody awful place we have turned into.
There are other opinions no less valid.
That's not meant to sound bitter - good luck to Coolbananas, but some are having a pretty tough time of it.
Coolbananas said:
I agree with you! Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher.
Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
Excellent, well reasoned post. Well, on the point that the 'lockdown' was hardly a tough regime generally - it was certainly tough on those in hospitality service industries for obvious reasons but some Countries had it far tougher. Where I live our lockdown made very little difference to most in my own circle - from a personal perspective, the only limiting factors were cycle races having been cancelled and training alone since Group rides were banned. All our shops were open, well-stocked, no queues, restaurants operated takeaways, worked from home (I do anyway), went for beach walks as normal.
I do support mask-wearing though, I find them no hardship at all, zero. I have a few, one type doesn't strap over my ears, but over my neck and back of my head so between shops and busy parts of a street, I can lower it easily and it isn't uncomfortable generally. My other type is more sports-orientated and rigid with a filter so that breathing hard is possible when doing sport - it is a 'just-in-case' measure, I don't train with it but if I was to go through a busy area I might use it.
I've read all the pro's and con's of mask wearing and on balance firmly believe that overall, they do reduce risk, whether that is 1% or 50% it varies from situation to situation and I'm ok with that for the tiny inconvenience of wearing one for a small amount of time. Obviously those in service work have to wear one for long hours and I'd agree that is different and I can only thank them and empathise but I do think it is the right thing to do.
It's a virus. We all know how it spreads. We shouldn't need a Government to tell us what to do at a personal level in order to minimise risk and reduce risk of infection for both ourselves and others. It's obvious - social distance where possible, and, yes, wear a mask or something for the seconds/minutes we may be much closer than ideal to help reduce particles from ourselves reaching those around us, or at least, in less quantities. We then go about our business following those basic steps.
But too many don't, too many need a Nanny to tell them what to do and this leads to Governments imposing ever-stricter rules when too many ignore common sense behaviours. I'm not against short, rolling 'lockdowns' either to stem the tide and round off peaks, makes sense to me. The debates as to how to manage this pandemic globally, nationally are raging at the highest levels in our society and naturally unqualified folk get caught up in it and align themselves to those who propose ideas they want to believe especially if it means they would be less affected by all this - to take no personal responsibility towards others, to do as they want regardless lest they sulk and have a tantrum at the thought of doing something that might help others remain uninfected. Indeed, some spend more energy on trying to deliberately flout rules and guidance than they would just getting on with it. Bizarre. Like those who make out they are invalids, infirm, mentally incapacitated and such just to avoid having to wear a sodding bit of fabric around their faces - you know, the same folk who would happily wear a balaclava in cold weather to keep their faces warm but forget wearing something that might keep their particles closer to themselves until this virus has been figured out because that is just too darn difficult!
I do not believe there is a global cabal of conspirators out to kill off service industries and impose permanent Dictatorship regimes around the World. I do believe that the Governments of the World - most, anyway - are genuinely trying to find a balance that is best for the majority in the end to get past this thing in the fastest time possible. To that end, I am satisfied to listen to what my own Government wants but ultimately, I know that I don't need anyone to tell me that the nicest thing I could do for others is to keep my distance and at least try to reduce particles from me getting to them if in close proximity. Easy to do. Common sense. No hardship at all. When everyone does it, infections will be less, Governments will not have to impose themselves.
loafer123 said:
I have some sympathy for this, but the behaviour was very much lockdown...you could have put a dining table in the main road and had lunch, the traffic was so light.
It was so quiet the pigeons would be asleep in the middle of the road when I went to work.
This was the A120 near the M11 junction in March.
But it wasn't a proper lockdown.
JagLover said:
Sam.M said:
So, did anyone watch yesterdays Spectator 60 Minutes on YouTube?
They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
Their second wave predictions included a temporary lockdown (the flat spot on the curve) so it isn't surprising. They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
blade runner said:
I do hope Boris holds his nerve on this one and we hopefully start to see some more 'natural' levelling off of the numbers in the next few weeks.
If he follows Scotland's 'lead' this time, surely he is politically doomed, especially with Christmas on the horizon.... His current support base appears to be diminishing by the day.Biker 1 said:
blade runner said:
I do hope Boris holds his nerve on this one and we hopefully start to see some more 'natural' levelling off of the numbers in the next few weeks.
If he follows Scotland's 'lead' this time, surely he is politically doomed, especially with Christmas on the horizon.... His current support base appears to be diminishing by the day.blade runner said:
JagLover said:
Sam.M said:
So, did anyone watch yesterdays Spectator 60 Minutes on YouTube?
They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
Their second wave predictions included a temporary lockdown (the flat spot on the curve) so it isn't surprising. They have internal documents from SAGE showing our infection and death numbers are ahead of their second wave predictions.
With Germany and France moving to lockdown, and SAGE leaning on Boris, it seems inevitable we'll be going for a national lockdown.
The "circuit break" wouldn't have solved anything. It just moved the curve. Spring wont be coming to our aid for months yet, all lockdown does is delay and then cases take off again.
Yes the next few weeks are the test for Boris. Ministers have been careful to rule nothing in or out, so we could be headed either way.
Reuters reporting Raab stating that a second lockdown is not inevitable and that the R rate has declined
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
Sam.M said:
Reuters reporting Raab stating that a second lockdown is not inevitable and that the R rate has declined
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
They choose their words carefully - lots of cabinet members speak out against a national lockdown yet are happy with numerous local lockdowns which could eventually cover the vast majority of the population anyway. It’s just a national lockdown wrapped up as something else.https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavir...
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