Angela Rayner calls Tory MP "Scum"
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chrispmartha said:
Wombat3 said:
chrispmartha said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:768 said:
She does, but she thinks it's where you have your first kid.
Do you have similar views about anyone who's a single parent at a young age or is it entirely down to which political party they support?Isn’t that exactly what some on here are calling for people to do yet it seems she’s still derided for her past?
B 1980
1996 (@ 16) left school when pregnant.
Subsequently trained as a Social care worker & worked for Stockport council can't see when that started but lets be generous & say in 2000
Subsequently became union Rep for unison & after that Convener for the whole North West. One can only imagine what percentage of her time was spent on Social care by that time but if most union wallahs are to be used an example, not very much would be the answer. Unison is, of course the public sector union.
Married a Unison bod in 2010 & had two further kids, one prematurely so much of the next 4 or 5 years taken up with that before entering parliament in 2015.
So overall she's probably done maybe 5 or 6 years actual work 9-5, 5 days a week working for a local council before getting heavily involved in Union activities & then politics.
Never been near a business, & therefore knows only what she has learned either second/third hand or through dogma/doctrine. In other words S.F.A.
The only use of the word "successful" that applies to her is the £80K a year she relieves the taxpayer of.
Absolutely stealing a living.
She also, self evidently, has minimal experience of anything outside of her tiny bubble.
All she has is a certain amount of drive & some belief in her dogma, and then she is operating and thriving within an organisation that seems to be founded on hate, envy, division and general "firebrand shoutiness".
I'm not bitter about her, I just view her as very thick, ill-informed and potentially dangerous. Hopefully she will get no closer to being able to do any real damage.
Red 4 said:
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant Wombat 3.
You appear to be saying that Rayner has not done a job that you consider worthy.
What sort of jobs are those ? Working in IT perhaps, if this place is anything to by.
Oh, hang on. Rayner needed to be a powerfully built Company Director to succeed in politics.
That's what you're saying. Got it.
Perhaps you should consider the fact that she has been successful despite a poor education and raising 3 children.
That takes some doing, whether you like it or not.
PS. I was public sector and I can assure of this - I didn't steal a living.
My missus is public sector. She is currently working daft, absolutely ridiculous hours, as part of the NHS Covid response. It is beginning to make her ill.
You clearly have an opinion of the public sector without really knowing much about it.
A close personal friend works for HMRC. He hasn't done anything beyond online training for six months and that takes up an hour of the day at the most. Obviously he has never worked at weekends or on Bank Holidays and never will. The rest of the day he cycles or walks and has managed to redecorate the house from top to bottom. He has never looked better. He has been told he won't be returning to the office before next March. He has been on full pay the whole time and there is no threat of losing the job. In fact, he has recently been promoted. That's how averages work I suppose. Please don't tell me your wife is an NHS manager. I've met thousands through my work as a consultant and they are most ineffective managers I have ever encountered.You appear to be saying that Rayner has not done a job that you consider worthy.
What sort of jobs are those ? Working in IT perhaps, if this place is anything to by.
Oh, hang on. Rayner needed to be a powerfully built Company Director to succeed in politics.
That's what you're saying. Got it.
Perhaps you should consider the fact that she has been successful despite a poor education and raising 3 children.
That takes some doing, whether you like it or not.
PS. I was public sector and I can assure of this - I didn't steal a living.
My missus is public sector. She is currently working daft, absolutely ridiculous hours, as part of the NHS Covid response. It is beginning to make her ill.
You clearly have an opinion of the public sector without really knowing much about it.
I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
Taylor James said:
Red 4 said:
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant Wombat 3.
You appear to be saying that Rayner has not done a job that you consider worthy.
What sort of jobs are those ? Working in IT perhaps, if this place is anything to by.
Oh, hang on. Rayner needed to be a powerfully built Company Director to succeed in politics.
That's what you're saying. Got it.
Perhaps you should consider the fact that she has been successful despite a poor education and raising 3 children.
That takes some doing, whether you like it or not.
PS. I was public sector and I can assure of this - I didn't steal a living.
My missus is public sector. She is currently working daft, absolutely ridiculous hours, as part of the NHS Covid response. It is beginning to make her ill.
You clearly have an opinion of the public sector without really knowing much about it.
A close personal friend works for HMRC. He hasn't done anything beyond online training for six months and that takes up an hour of the day at the most. Obviously he has never worked at weekends or on Bank Holidays and never will. The rest of the day he cycles or walks and has managed to redecorate the house from top to bottom. He has never looked better. He has been told he won't be returning to the office before next March. He has been on full pay the whole time and there is no threat of losing the job. In fact, he has recently been promoted. That's how averages work I suppose. Please don't tell me your wife is an NHS manager. I've met thousands through my work as a consultant and they are most ineffective managers I have ever encountered.You appear to be saying that Rayner has not done a job that you consider worthy.
What sort of jobs are those ? Working in IT perhaps, if this place is anything to by.
Oh, hang on. Rayner needed to be a powerfully built Company Director to succeed in politics.
That's what you're saying. Got it.
Perhaps you should consider the fact that she has been successful despite a poor education and raising 3 children.
That takes some doing, whether you like it or not.
PS. I was public sector and I can assure of this - I didn't steal a living.
My missus is public sector. She is currently working daft, absolutely ridiculous hours, as part of the NHS Covid response. It is beginning to make her ill.
You clearly have an opinion of the public sector without really knowing much about it.
I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
It’s ridiculous as it could apply to a great many MPs in parliament of all hues. OK, there my be not too many Tory MPs who are ex-union reps but they'll be many who’ve gone from uni straight into the party machine and worked through the system to become an MP. Do you consider John Major a loser because he didn’t go to uni? Was he unworthy of being PM because of this?
All I see is people trying to diminish her achievements despite her lack of a tertiary education. How many businessmen have achieved great things and success despite lack of a formal education? Branson, Sugar et al, are all losers?
A lack of education does not indicate that someone is thick. They just didn’t take advantage of what was offered at the time.
Let’s face it, you’re only being critical because she’s Labour.
All I see is people trying to diminish her achievements despite her lack of a tertiary education. How many businessmen have achieved great things and success despite lack of a formal education? Branson, Sugar et al, are all losers?
A lack of education does not indicate that someone is thick. They just didn’t take advantage of what was offered at the time.
Let’s face it, you’re only being critical because she’s Labour.
Taylor James said:
A close personal friend works for HMRC. He hasn't done anything beyond online training for six months and that takes up an hour of the day at the most. Obviously he has never worked at weekends or on Bank Holidays and never will. The rest of the day he cycles or walks and has managed to redecorate the house from top to bottom. He has never looked better. He has been told he won't be returning to the office before next March. He has been on full pay the whole time and there is no threat of losing the job. In fact, he has recently been promoted. That's how averages work I suppose. Please don't tell me your wife is an NHS manager. I've met thousands through my work as a consultant and they are most ineffective managers I have ever encountered.
I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
If your story about your mate (I have no reason to doubt you) is true, then why after a decade of tory dominated government why haven't the tories done something about such a poor work culture?I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
Unknown_User said:
Taylor James said:
A close personal friend works for HMRC. He hasn't done anything beyond online training for six months and that takes up an hour of the day at the most. Obviously he has never worked at weekends or on Bank Holidays and never will. The rest of the day he cycles or walks and has managed to redecorate the house from top to bottom. He has never looked better. He has been told he won't be returning to the office before next March. He has been on full pay the whole time and there is no threat of losing the job. In fact, he has recently been promoted. That's how averages work I suppose. Please don't tell me your wife is an NHS manager. I've met thousands through my work as a consultant and they are most ineffective managers I have ever encountered.
I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
If your story about your mate (I have no reason to doubt you) is true, then why after a decade of tory dominated government why haven't the tories done something about such a poor work culture?I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
Edited by Taylor James on Saturday 24th October 15:19
Edited by Taylor James on Saturday 24th October 15:21
Taylor James said:
Unknown_User said:
Taylor James said:
A close personal friend works for HMRC. He hasn't done anything beyond online training for six months and that takes up an hour of the day at the most. Obviously he has never worked at weekends or on Bank Holidays and never will. The rest of the day he cycles or walks and has managed to redecorate the house from top to bottom. He has never looked better. He has been told he won't be returning to the office before next March. He has been on full pay the whole time and there is no threat of losing the job. In fact, he has recently been promoted. That's how averages work I suppose. Please don't tell me your wife is an NHS manager. I've met thousands through my work as a consultant and they are most ineffective managers I have ever encountered.
I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
If your story about your mate (I have no reason to doubt you) is true, then why after a decade of tory dominated government why haven't the tories done something about such a poor work culture?I don't care what Rayner has done. I only take an interest in what she might do. Certainly qualifications are a very poor guide to intelligence and effectiveness. I can think of two manual labourers that I know that are unquestionably more intelligent than a doctor and solictor I also know. The most stupid person I know is a Director of Marketing and she is as thick as a brick. I say good luck to Rayner until she gets into power and then I'll be concerned over her ideology and how that might impact on me and mine.
Wombat3 said:
Escy said:
It's nice we want high standards of previous life experience for our MP's. Only 5-6 years experience in social care you say?
How does that stack up compared to Boris Johnsons career trajectory?
His Wiki page will take you a lot longer to read than hers (!)How does that stack up compared to Boris Johnsons career trajectory?
Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
Escy said:
Good idea.
Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
I bet he knows some who actually work for a living instead of expecting handouts.Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
Red 4 said:
768 said:
Red 4 said:
Maybe you shouldn't be so keen to criticise.
People who live in glass houses, etc etc.
Not the usual PH brag, but I've got a GCSE.People who live in glass houses, etc etc.
Edited by 768 on Saturday 24th October 13:22
I'm guessing you're not The Deputy Leader of The Labour Party, or even a lowly MP.
I don't think Rayner will be looking down the back of sofa for a few pence or wondering where her next meal will be coming from, somehow.
That's not to say she may not have done that at one time.
Office hilts she has a ‘uneducated background’ means jack, I will wait and see exactly what her contributions amount to.My bias tells me SFA, but we will all see.
Biggy Stardust said:
Escy said:
Good idea.
Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
I bet he knows some who actually work for a living instead of expecting handouts.Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
Legacywr said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Glade said:
Wills2 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I bet we can all guess who won't be going hungry thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
I think the Tories got this horribly wrong.I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
The sight of MPs earning a publically funded 82k + exs whilst enjoying subsidised food at the tax payers expense, telling minimum wage workers who have been ordered by them to stop work that they won't fund £2-3 per meal over half term is piss poor.
But they couldn't use that alone to fund the scheme.
10,320,811 school age students in the UK vs 650 MPs.
I think they could fund it, a step towards more universal benefit. Level the playing field for the kids.
Probably bring some unexpected consequences. Fat kids having two dinners. One at school, one at home etc
Escy said:
Wombat3 said:
Escy said:
It's nice we want high standards of previous life experience for our MP's. Only 5-6 years experience in social care you say?
How does that stack up compared to Boris Johnsons career trajectory?
His Wiki page will take you a lot longer to read than hers (!)How does that stack up compared to Boris Johnsons career trajectory?
Eton > Oxford (2nd in Classics) > Graduate Trainee Journalist at the Times (secured via family connections) [sacked for lying] > Journalist at the Daily Telegraph (secured via Oxford connections) > political gravy train.
I think it's save to say Rayner has a better grasp on what the reality is for the majority of the population. I bet Johnson doesn't even know a single person that receives free school meals.
chrispmartha said:
Wombat3 said:
chrispmartha said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:768 said:
She does, but she thinks it's where you have your first kid.
Do you have similar views about anyone who's a single parent at a young age or is it entirely down to which political party they support?Isn’t that exactly what some on here are calling for people to do yet it seems she’s still derided for her past?
B 1980
1996 (@ 16) left school when pregnant.
Subsequently trained as a Social care worker & worked for Stockport council can't see when that started but lets be generous & say in 2000
Subsequently became union Rep for unison & after that Convener for the whole North West. One can only imagine what percentage of her time was spent on Social care by that time but if most union wallahs are to be used an example, not very much would be the answer. Unison is, of course the public sector union.
Married a Unison bod in 2010 & had two further kids, one prematurely so much of the next 4 or 5 years taken up with that before entering parliament in 2015.
So overall she's probably done maybe 5 or 6 years actual work 9-5, 5 days a week working for a local council before getting heavily involved in Union activities & then politics.
Never been near a business, & therefore knows only what she has learned either second/third hand or through dogma/doctrine. In other words S.F.A.
The only use of the word "successful" that applies to her is the £80K a year she relieves the taxpayer of.
Absolutely stealing a living.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Pan Pan Pan said:
This is a game we could play until the cows come home, take some of Abbotts scintillating speeches in the HoC as an example.
True.Last time I looked she wasn't the Prime Minister (thankfully) was she?
But what would / does putting up pictures of various politicians when they are yapping, add to this particular thread?
Red 4 said:
Congratulations. What do you do for a living ?
I'm guessing you're not The Deputy Leader of The Labour Party, or even a lowly MP.
I don't think Rayner will be looking down the back of sofa for a few pence or wondering where her next meal will be coming from, somehow.
That's not to say she may not have done that at one time.
I'm not even a lowly MP no, don't fancy the pay cut thanks.I'm guessing you're not The Deputy Leader of The Labour Party, or even a lowly MP.
I don't think Rayner will be looking down the back of sofa for a few pence or wondering where her next meal will be coming from, somehow.
That's not to say she may not have done that at one time.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Legacywr said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Glade said:
Wills2 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I bet we can all guess who won't be going hungry thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
I think the Tories got this horribly wrong.I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
The sight of MPs earning a publically funded 82k + exs whilst enjoying subsidised food at the tax payers expense, telling minimum wage workers who have been ordered by them to stop work that they won't fund £2-3 per meal over half term is piss poor.
But they couldn't use that alone to fund the scheme.
10,320,811 school age students in the UK vs 650 MPs.
I think they could fund it, a step towards more universal benefit. Level the playing field for the kids.
Probably bring some unexpected consequences. Fat kids having two dinners. One at school, one at home etc
Legacywr said:
Why should anybody get a subsidised meal there?
I'd imagine there are quite a lot of lower paid staff working behind the scenes on the Parliamentary Estate.No idea if they benefit from the subsidy.
I think there's a difference between that and someone who's more than capable of paying their way.
Legacywr said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Legacywr said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Glade said:
Wills2 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I bet we can all guess who won't be going hungry thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
I think the Tories got this horribly wrong.I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
The sight of MPs earning a publically funded 82k + exs whilst enjoying subsidised food at the tax payers expense, telling minimum wage workers who have been ordered by them to stop work that they won't fund £2-3 per meal over half term is piss poor.
But they couldn't use that alone to fund the scheme.
10,320,811 school age students in the UK vs 650 MPs.
I think they could fund it, a step towards more universal benefit. Level the playing field for the kids.
Probably bring some unexpected consequences. Fat kids having two dinners. One at school, one at home etc
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