45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
Just look at the recent revelations about Kushner, knew how bad the pandemic was, yet played the political game, assuming a vaccine/cure/something would prevail and so they could claim trump as the saviour. 8m infected, 230k dead, economy trashed whilst they played games to make trump look good.
All whilst rinsing their WH positions to make as much money personally as possible...
Leaving their supporters 4 miles from their cars in freezing conditions just sums up their whole attitude.
As someone said, if you don't recognise the con, then you're the mark
And that's^ why I have zero respect for Trump supporters (amongst a long list of reasons!).All whilst rinsing their WH positions to make as much money personally as possible...
Leaving their supporters 4 miles from their cars in freezing conditions just sums up their whole attitude.
As someone said, if you don't recognise the con, then you're the mark
If you're rich enough that you're better off under this administration then you're rich enough to not be affected greatly if the Dems get in, so the fact you would vote for an administration this shambolic, divisive and deplorable all for the sake of making literally a few extra dollars says a whole lot about your morals.
Al Gorithum said:
I saw this today posted by a wounded US ex-serviceman, which I thought was articulate and enlightening:
Thats effectively what we've seen from the actual us republicans on here. They ignore everything trump is because he's on their team (allegedly) and it's nearly always the white men saying that.Centurion07 said:
Byker28i said:
Just look at the recent revelations about Kushner, knew how bad the pandemic was, yet played the political game, assuming a vaccine/cure/something would prevail and so they could claim trump as the saviour. 8m infected, 230k dead, economy trashed whilst they played games to make trump look good.
All whilst rinsing their WH positions to make as much money personally as possible...
Leaving their supporters 4 miles from their cars in freezing conditions just sums up their whole attitude.
As someone said, if you don't recognise the con, then you're the mark
And that's^ why I have zero respect for Trump supporters (amongst a long list of reasons!).All whilst rinsing their WH positions to make as much money personally as possible...
Leaving their supporters 4 miles from their cars in freezing conditions just sums up their whole attitude.
As someone said, if you don't recognise the con, then you're the mark
If you're rich enough that you're better off under this administration then you're rich enough to not be affected greatly if the Dems get in, so the fact you would vote for an administration this shambolic, divisive and deplorable all for the sake of making literally a few extra dollars says a whole lot about your morals.
Byker28i said:
Jon Ossoff took on David Perdue on a Georgia debate yesterday.
There are some decent, well spoken, dynamic and young candidates running on the Dem side.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321655331940929543
Perdue, 70, is a former business executive seeking his second term in the Senate. Ossoff, 33, heads a media company that investigates crime and corruption for news organizations. There are some decent, well spoken, dynamic and young candidates running on the Dem side.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321655331940929543
https://www.c-span.org/video/?477008-1/georgia-us-...
paulguitar said:
deckster said:
And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.
I don't respect it, it's selling out in a really cynical way. Even if one was better off under trump (and I actually think there is a lot of doubt that will be the case longterm), just how shallow would one have to be to think it was worth it to be humiliated daily by having him as your representative?Of course, I don't respect the person saying it. I don't respect them for holding that position. It makes them a selfish tosser of the highest order. But I can understand that it's a position they might hold, because they're a selfish tosser.
paulguitar said:
deckster said:
Derek Smith said:
vaud said:
I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)
Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.People really do have short term and fluid morals at times!
the economy thing is all a con again with trump. Many people quote it but someones actually looked into it.
Summary: More jobs were created under Obama, economic growth under trump was slightly higher, income was down or flat, black unemployment was better under Obama, corporate profits increased with the tax cut.
The rest is just trump con
President Donald Trump is fond of boasting that he “built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” It is common for presidents to tout their economic record in the run-up to a reelection bid, but this claim has become a central element of Trump’s case to the American people. Economic management is the one issue, according to numerous public opinion polls, where he runs even with his Democratic rival. The question, then, is how US economic performance has stacked up under the Trump Administration.
The answer, it turns out, is that economic progress actually slowed a bit under President Trump — and that is even before taking into account the effects of the COVID crisis. We arrive at this answer by looking at a variety of metrics, in the hopes of capturing a holistic look at the economy, and by comparing their performance under this administration to that of the three years that preceded President Trump.
Jobs:
In the 37 months between January 2017 and February 2020, before COVID struck, the economy added 6.8 million jobs, a slowdown of an average of 38,000 jobs per month.
GDP: not the massive boom trump claimed
GDP growth did accelerate a tiny amount from 2017 through 2019, compared to the three years prior. From 2014 through 2016, overall annual growth averaged about 2.4 percent, after adjusting for inflation. From 2017 through 2019, overall annual growth edged up by just 0.1 percent, to 2.5 percent.
Income:
There are lots of different ways to look at how much money people are making and bringing home in an economy. And by pretty much any of these measures, the economy under President Trump was either roughly the same as it was in the previous three years, or slightly worse. We saw noticeably slower growth in total per-capita private wages and salaries and in per-capita disposable income from 2017 through 2019, as compared with the last three years of President Obama’s term. Average hourly wages for non-supervisory workers grew ever-so-slightly faster since 2017.
Perhaps most tellingly, median family income growth was significantly lower under President Trump. In the last three years of the Obama administration, real median family income grew by about $4,750, an increase of over 9 percent, whereas in the first three years of the Trump administration, median family income grew by only $3,000, an increase of just 5.4 percent.
But on the narrow question of “Did President Trump build the greatest economy ever?” The answer is very clearly: no. Not even close.
https://michaelslinden.medium.com/evaluating-donal...
Summary: More jobs were created under Obama, economic growth under trump was slightly higher, income was down or flat, black unemployment was better under Obama, corporate profits increased with the tax cut.
The rest is just trump con
President Donald Trump is fond of boasting that he “built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” It is common for presidents to tout their economic record in the run-up to a reelection bid, but this claim has become a central element of Trump’s case to the American people. Economic management is the one issue, according to numerous public opinion polls, where he runs even with his Democratic rival. The question, then, is how US economic performance has stacked up under the Trump Administration.
The answer, it turns out, is that economic progress actually slowed a bit under President Trump — and that is even before taking into account the effects of the COVID crisis. We arrive at this answer by looking at a variety of metrics, in the hopes of capturing a holistic look at the economy, and by comparing their performance under this administration to that of the three years that preceded President Trump.
Jobs:
In the 37 months between January 2017 and February 2020, before COVID struck, the economy added 6.8 million jobs, a slowdown of an average of 38,000 jobs per month.
GDP: not the massive boom trump claimed
GDP growth did accelerate a tiny amount from 2017 through 2019, compared to the three years prior. From 2014 through 2016, overall annual growth averaged about 2.4 percent, after adjusting for inflation. From 2017 through 2019, overall annual growth edged up by just 0.1 percent, to 2.5 percent.
Income:
There are lots of different ways to look at how much money people are making and bringing home in an economy. And by pretty much any of these measures, the economy under President Trump was either roughly the same as it was in the previous three years, or slightly worse. We saw noticeably slower growth in total per-capita private wages and salaries and in per-capita disposable income from 2017 through 2019, as compared with the last three years of President Obama’s term. Average hourly wages for non-supervisory workers grew ever-so-slightly faster since 2017.
Perhaps most tellingly, median family income growth was significantly lower under President Trump. In the last three years of the Obama administration, real median family income grew by about $4,750, an increase of over 9 percent, whereas in the first three years of the Trump administration, median family income grew by only $3,000, an increase of just 5.4 percent.
But on the narrow question of “Did President Trump build the greatest economy ever?” The answer is very clearly: no. Not even close.
https://michaelslinden.medium.com/evaluating-donal...
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 29th October 11:11
Argleton said:
Calm down. Christ, this place really brings out the pricks. You've actually spent time rifling through my profile, how monumentally sad and quite revealing. I have changed my username from time from time for the simple reason I've never really gelled with it. I've kept this one for a while, but that doesn't fit with your narrative. Next you'll be questioning why I don't have any cars in my garage, don't worry i have a legitimate reason for that, too..
"Provide proof of your bet" who the f
k do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.
Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
You are the one that made up some ridiculous lie about betting £5000 on Trump, and now you go on to blame everyone else over it? "Provide proof of your bet" who the f
k do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
Amazing.
I think we can safely say that if you don't post the betting slip, you will be mocked, ignored, and not taken seriously like Welshbeef has been for years.
deckster said:
paulguitar said:
deckster said:
And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.
I don't respect it, it's selling out in a really cynical way. Even if one was better off under trump (and I actually think there is a lot of doubt that will be the case longterm), just how shallow would one have to be to think it was worth it to be humiliated daily by having him as your representative?Of course, I don't respect the person saying it. I don't respect them for holding that position. It makes them a selfish tosser of the highest order. But I can understand that it's a position they might hold, because they're a selfish tosser.
Many people will do what they see as best for them, their family, and b
ks to everyone else. It's not an honourable position, but it's perfectly understandable.
Lord Marylebone said:
Argleton said:
Calm down. Christ, this place really brings out the pricks. You've actually spent time rifling through my profile, how monumentally sad and quite revealing. I have changed my username from time from time for the simple reason I've never really gelled with it. I've kept this one for a while, but that doesn't fit with your narrative. Next you'll be questioning why I don't have any cars in my garage, don't worry i have a legitimate reason for that, too..
"Provide proof of your bet" who the fk do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.
Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
You are the one that made up some ridiculous lie about betting £5000 on Trump, and now you go on to blame everyone else over it? "Provide proof of your bet" who the f
k do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
Amazing.
I think we can safely say that if you don't post the betting slip, you will be mocked, ignored, and not taken seriously like Welshbeef has been for years.
Al Gorithum said:
He's not stupid. But he comes from a specific culture. He's older. He's white. He's straight. He's from a traditionally conservative profession (remember, it's The South) . . .
See, politics aren't about logic, they're about perception. And very often they are about fear, fear of the other, fear of some nebulous unnamed dread, and most of all: fear of change.
That's what conservatism IS, fear of change. By definition.
I’m from a specific culture. I’m older (old by some definitions), white, straight, used to work in a traditionally conservative profession (probably more so than doctoring) and live in a very tory area of the south east. Yet there’s no way I’d vote tory while Johnson’s in charge. See, politics aren't about logic, they're about perception. And very often they are about fear, fear of the other, fear of some nebulous unnamed dread, and most of all: fear of change.
That's what conservatism IS, fear of change. By definition.
There’s illogic in my response. I have an intense dislike of dishonesty and he seems to epitomise it, so his politics (I know he doesn’t have any, but run with me) are of no interest.
Politics is all about emotion. Most responses on NPE seem to be reactive, as mine is against Johnson.
I quite like the idea of change. In fact, I am frustrated by those antiquated systems that hold us back. As an ex-bobby, I’m all for a revolution in policing, maybe going further than the last one in 1984, a shamefully long time ago.
I have concerns about some of the changes that are coming along, but there seems little I can do about it. Rewriting stories to take in modern mores seems irresponsible, similar to burning books that one doesn’t agree with, but I see an apparent majority for it. How long before the woodcutter bursts into grandma’s cottage and cuts off Little Red Riding Hood’s head for using the wrong form of address to the trans fox/grandma? Generally, though, I see a lot of positive change from my youth and early years. Others my age seem to agree, more or less.
So what’s different in the USA, whereby an intelligent, educated, constructive member of society is willing to allow Trump to trample through their constitution without check?
Bewildering. It’s like a foreign country.
Edited by Derek Smith on Thursday 29th October 11:37
It's no different to the business owner I met in California in 2016, who believed Obama wasn't american, was muslim, that there were too many immigrants and blacks, that america should be white.
trumps just enabled them all
As Miles Taylor said:
"Removing Trump will not be the end of our woes, unfortunately. While on the road visiting swing states for the past month, it’s become clear to me how far apart Americans have grown from one another. We’ve perpetuated the seemingly endless hostility stoked by this divisive President, so if we really want to restore vibrance to our civic life, the change must begin with each of us, not just with the occupant of the Oval Office."
https://milestaylor.medium.com/a-statement-a13bc51...
trumps just enabled them all
As Miles Taylor said:
"Removing Trump will not be the end of our woes, unfortunately. While on the road visiting swing states for the past month, it’s become clear to me how far apart Americans have grown from one another. We’ve perpetuated the seemingly endless hostility stoked by this divisive President, so if we really want to restore vibrance to our civic life, the change must begin with each of us, not just with the occupant of the Oval Office."
https://milestaylor.medium.com/a-statement-a13bc51...
Byker28i said:
It's no different to the business owner I met in California in 2016, who believed Obama wasn't american, was muslim, that there were too many immigrants and blacks, that america should be white.
trumps just enabled them all
I think many Americans want the cheap labour of undocumented migrants... who else will do their lawn/pool/etc for cash?trumps just enabled them all
I lived in Palo Alto for a while in California. One of the richest places in the US. Just across the railroad tracks... East Palo Alto - with very high crime, poverty, undocumented migrants, etc. Palo Alto relied on them for the underlying service economy.
Those that are living below the radar also don't vote and will never be a threat to jobs that require any kind of documentation.
paulguitar said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Argleton said:
Calm down. Christ, this place really brings out the pricks. You've actually spent time rifling through my profile, how monumentally sad and quite revealing. I have changed my username from time from time for the simple reason I've never really gelled with it. I've kept this one for a while, but that doesn't fit with your narrative. Next you'll be questioning why I don't have any cars in my garage, don't worry i have a legitimate reason for that, too..
"Provide proof of your bet" who the fk do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.
Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
You are the one that made up some ridiculous lie about betting £5000 on Trump, and now you go on to blame everyone else over it? "Provide proof of your bet" who the f
k do you think you are? I bet (haha) you've been sitting there waiting all day for it, again rather sad (becoming a theme here). A rather sad image of you there ready to wk yourself silly over it with other posters. No, thanks. Don't need to prove anything. The only reason I brought it up was that I am that confident of Trump winning.Interesting use of the word thundertwunt as it would the word I'd use to describe you. You didn't even realise that I wasn't supporting Trump you were too busy frothing at the mouth and tapping the keyboard.
Amazing.
I think we can safely say that if you don't post the betting slip, you will be mocked, ignored, and not taken seriously like Welshbeef has been for years.
That was so hilarious
Everytime trump has a rally, the Dems see a spike in donations 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27...
Democratic House chairs have asked the Inspectors General of the Justice Department and ODNI to review whether a counterintelligence investigation regarding Trump's financial interests was ever opened, as well as whether it was curtailed or terminated.
Has Barr or anyone else shut down investigations into trump...
Dear Inspectors General Horowitz and Monheim:
We write to urge you to review the decisions and circumstances surrounding the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s reported counterintelligence investigation of President Donald J. Trump and his foreign financial contacts, including whether they did not pursue or were prevented from completing such investigation.
Recent reporting has revealed that President Trump’s company generated tens of millions of dollars in overseas revenue during his first two years in office and is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, a significant portion of which is personally guaranteed by the President, and that he held foreign bank accounts—including with an unidentified Chinese bank.
The President’s foreign financial entanglements and liabilities give rise to serious counterintelligence concerns that warrant investigation. Recent reports indicate that neither the FBI nor the Special Counsel’s office ever conducted a comprehensive investigation of these matters.
It is imperative that your offices determine whether the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI have examined the counterintelligence risks arising from the President’s finances. In particular, we urge you to examine whether President Trump or other White House officials improperly pressured or influenced DOJ or the FBI not to move forward with a counterintelligence investigation of President Trump and his foreign financial ties and liabilities. "
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversi...
Has Barr or anyone else shut down investigations into trump...
Dear Inspectors General Horowitz and Monheim:
We write to urge you to review the decisions and circumstances surrounding the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s reported counterintelligence investigation of President Donald J. Trump and his foreign financial contacts, including whether they did not pursue or were prevented from completing such investigation.
Recent reporting has revealed that President Trump’s company generated tens of millions of dollars in overseas revenue during his first two years in office and is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, a significant portion of which is personally guaranteed by the President, and that he held foreign bank accounts—including with an unidentified Chinese bank.
The President’s foreign financial entanglements and liabilities give rise to serious counterintelligence concerns that warrant investigation. Recent reports indicate that neither the FBI nor the Special Counsel’s office ever conducted a comprehensive investigation of these matters.
It is imperative that your offices determine whether the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI have examined the counterintelligence risks arising from the President’s finances. In particular, we urge you to examine whether President Trump or other White House officials improperly pressured or influenced DOJ or the FBI not to move forward with a counterintelligence investigation of President Trump and his foreign financial ties and liabilities. "
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversi...
Lord Marylebone said:
deckster said:
paulguitar said:
deckster said:
And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.
I don't respect it, it's selling out in a really cynical way. Even if one was better off under trump (and I actually think there is a lot of doubt that will be the case longterm), just how shallow would one have to be to think it was worth it to be humiliated daily by having him as your representative?Of course, I don't respect the person saying it. I don't respect them for holding that position. It makes them a selfish tosser of the highest order. But I can understand that it's a position they might hold, because they're a selfish tosser.
Many people will do what they see as best for them, their family, and b
ks to everyone else. It's not an honourable position, but it's perfectly understandable.
Do you vote for what is best for you personally, or what you believe to best for the community? Personally, and after much consideration, I have decided that I don't want somebody else making their mind up about what is best for me . I know what I want, thank you very much, and I wouldn't have the temerity to try and decide on someone else's behalf.
Surely the only way you can achieve a truly democratic decision is by choosing the candidate that best suits the needs and desires of the majority of people.
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