Why the Corbyn hatred?
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As someone with no political allegiance who is happy to have voted for all three of the main ones (when they have been the three main ones), as well as Soo the Panda when it was getting silly three years ago, I’m slightly confused by how vilified and universally despised JC appears to have become compared with anyone else in politics. Blair went to war for something to do, Cameron gave us the Brexit debacle and the current lot are truly pushing he the boundaries of what you can get away with by creaming off millions to their mates with nothing as much as a raised eyebrow and seemingly lying quite a lot.
Is it all the anti-Semitism because based on numbers I can’t believe the others haven’t got similar factions in their own ranks which go without being investigated. Is it the threat of hard left policies killing the country because a lot of these were presented quite sensibly. Was it the lack of a coherent Brexit policy when clearly nobody had one? Or was it the billionaire media owners who wanted to stay that way and convinced the red wall that Boris and JRM et al cared about them.
As I said, I’ve never seen in 36 years such a hammering in an election and subsequently a concentrated effort to expunge someone from public life and was wondering what he’d done to provoke these reactions.
Is it all the anti-Semitism because based on numbers I can’t believe the others haven’t got similar factions in their own ranks which go without being investigated. Is it the threat of hard left policies killing the country because a lot of these were presented quite sensibly. Was it the lack of a coherent Brexit policy when clearly nobody had one? Or was it the billionaire media owners who wanted to stay that way and convinced the red wall that Boris and JRM et al cared about them.
As I said, I’ve never seen in 36 years such a hammering in an election and subsequently a concentrated effort to expunge someone from public life and was wondering what he’d done to provoke these reactions.
PrinceRupert said:
It's because of his hard left socialist policies. They ain't that popular especially on PH which is full of right wing conservatives.
Partly. Also he is just hopeless and a waste of everyones time. Plenty of pragmatic people across the spectrum wish he had never wandered onto the stage. Edited by lothianJim on Thursday 29th October 21:46
PrinceRupert said:
It's because of his hard left socialist policies. They ain't that popular especially on PH which is full of right wing conservatives.
It’s because of his hard left socialist policies. They ain’t that popular with the electorate which voted for right wing conservatives.PrinceRupert said:
It's because of his hard left socialist policies. They ain't that popular especially on PH which is full of right wing conservatives.
I appreciate that, especially as he’s not even remotely powerfully built, but they weren’t popular amongst the northern working class either where you might have suspected they could have struck a chord?popegregory said:
I appreciate that, especially as he’s not even remotely powerfully built, but they weren’t popular amongst the northern working class either where you might have suspected they could have struck a chord?
I think that may have largely been down to the confused Brexit messaging. If they had been anti Brexit and hard left they might have done better with the northern working class. But lost the liberal elite...(though I think they lost them anyway for not being anti Brexit and for being hard left).PrinceRupert said:
popegregory said:
I appreciate that, especially as he’s not even remotely powerfully built, but they weren’t popular amongst the northern working class either where you might have suspected they could have struck a chord?
I think that may have largely been down to the confused Brexit messaging. If they had been anti Brexit and hard left they might have done better with the northern working class. But lost the liberal elite...(though I think they lost them anyway for not being anti Brexit and for being hard left).It could be his utter hypocrisy, his utterly disgraceful support of terrorists, his actions throughout his time in politics, his misguided identity politics, the racism he fostered in the labour party, the collection of incompetent rejects he assembled around him, the treatment he and momentum gave to anyone who disagreed with him, the absurd policies, the lack of any political nouse, the politics of protest, the Marxism he wanted to apply to Britain, the moral superiority, the faux "man of the people" act, the general nastiness of him and his acolytes, the refusal to commit to a position on anything except being against the government, and the damage he has done to politics in this country for the last 5 years.
Or, I suppose it could be that PH is full of powerfully built conservatives, yeah, that must be it.
Or, I suppose it could be that PH is full of powerfully built conservatives, yeah, that must be it.
Uncle John said:
Mmmmmm, northern working class are not anti Brexit. Liberal elite were the ones voting for the crackpot, 2 out of 10, must do better.
That was my exact point - if he was pro Brexit, he might have got the northern working class vote. I don't think he was getting the middle class liberal vote - his policies were too extreme.Edited by PrinceRupert on Thursday 29th October 22:12
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
It could be his utter hypocrisy, his utterly disgraceful support of terrorists, his actions throughout his time in politics, his misguided identity politics, the racism he fostered in the labour party, the collection of incompetent rejects he assembled around him, the treatment he and momentum gave to anyone who disagreed with him, the absurd policies, the lack of any political nouse, the politics of protest, the Marxism he wanted to apply to Britain, the moral superiority, the faux "man of the people" act, the general nastiness of him and his acolytes, the refusal to commit to a position on anything except being against the government, and the damage he has done to politics in this country for the last 5 years.
Or, I suppose it could be that PH is full of powerfully built conservatives, yeah, that must be it.
Precisely! Or, I suppose it could be that PH is full of powerfully built conservatives, yeah, that must be it.
Add in a few ill judged publicity stunts like sitting on the floor of a train claiming there were no seats when, err, yes there were and there was CCTV to prove it.
Add in Diane Abbot.
Corbyn was an utter joke.
He’s hated because he’s a Leftie. A proper hardcore Leftie. That’s it really. People were petrified that he would bankrupt the country with his daft policies and willingness to throw money from the public purse towards benefit scrounging scum and the like. Of course Boris was a much better bet as he would never do this and the hardcore right wingers would never dream of demanding their share of benefits like furlough, or bleat when the benefits didn’t stretch to them 
He’s disliked by many, because he was incompetent and a dreamer, albeit one who stood by his principles, even if that included being as anti-Semitic as possible.
Brexit was a smokescreen, he opposed what the Tories built their whole campaign on. Ironically, Corbyn was probably the most ardent Brexiteer of the two leaders of the main parties.
Now that he’s no longer relevant it doesn’tactually matter, as many people need to sneer, especially as they’ve turned on their saviour Boris
He’s disliked by many, because he was incompetent and a dreamer, albeit one who stood by his principles, even if that included being as anti-Semitic as possible.
Brexit was a smokescreen, he opposed what the Tories built their whole campaign on. Ironically, Corbyn was probably the most ardent Brexiteer of the two leaders of the main parties.
Now that he’s no longer relevant it doesn’tactually matter, as many people need to sneer, especially as they’ve turned on their saviour Boris
PrinceRupert said:
Uncle John said:
Mmmmmm, northern working class are not anti Brexit. Liberal elite were the ones voting for the crackpot, 2 out of 10, must do better.
That was my exact point - if he was anti Brexit, he might have got the northern working class vote. I don't think he was getting the middle class liberal vote - his policies were too extreme.At least with the conservative Kier Starmer aka Tony Blair at the helm a return to centre politics might get them a chance at the next election, though I doubt it!
jontymo said:
PrinceRupert said:
Uncle John said:
Mmmmmm, northern working class are not anti Brexit. Liberal elite were the ones voting for the crackpot, 2 out of 10, must do better.
That was my exact point - if he was anti Brexit, he might have got the northern working class vote. I don't think he was getting the middle class liberal vote - his policies were too extreme.At least with the conservative Kier Starmer aka Tony Blair at the helm a return to centre politics might get them a chance at the next election, though I doubt it!
What about “Whoa-ah-ho-Jeremy Corbyn”?
He appealed to all that lot, no?
PH is certainly full of right wing conservatives, many of whom are old enough to remember The Winter of Discontent, when times were indeed grim. None of the yoof remember that, so they think what he offered was great, hence the popularity amongst many younger voters who feel that the Tories are completely out of touch with them, have brought on Brexit, etc etc.
Ironically the Conservatives are now having to do all the things JC would’ve done if elected as PM, thanks to Covid-19.
Every time there is yet another Tory s
tshow reported in the Daily Heil I like to troll it with “I don’t know about you, but I voted for chaos with Jeremy Corbyn!”
I didn’t, obvs, ‘cos of Momentum pulling his strings, but given the comedy government we are seeing from Boris Johnson and chums I do wonder if JC would’ve made a better fist of things. Couldn’t exactly do a lot worse IMO.
He appealed to all that lot, no?
PH is certainly full of right wing conservatives, many of whom are old enough to remember The Winter of Discontent, when times were indeed grim. None of the yoof remember that, so they think what he offered was great, hence the popularity amongst many younger voters who feel that the Tories are completely out of touch with them, have brought on Brexit, etc etc.
Ironically the Conservatives are now having to do all the things JC would’ve done if elected as PM, thanks to Covid-19.
Every time there is yet another Tory s
tshow reported in the Daily Heil I like to troll it with “I don’t know about you, but I voted for chaos with Jeremy Corbyn!” I didn’t, obvs, ‘cos of Momentum pulling his strings, but given the comedy government we are seeing from Boris Johnson and chums I do wonder if JC would’ve made a better fist of things. Couldn’t exactly do a lot worse IMO.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Thursday 29th October 22:22
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
It could be his utter hypocrisy, his utterly disgraceful support of terrorists, his actions throughout his time in politics, his misguided identity politics, the racism he fostered in the labour party, the collection of incompetent rejects he assembled around him, the treatment he and momentum gave to anyone who disagreed with him, the absurd policies, the lack of any political nouse, the politics of protest, the Marxism he wanted to apply to Britain, the moral superiority, the faux "man of the people" act, the general nastiness of him and his acolytes, the refusal to commit to a position on anything except being against the government, and the damage he has done to politics in this country for the last 5 years.
Any good points you'd like to share ?lothianJim said:
PrinceRupert said:
It's because of his hard left socialist policies. They ain't that popular especially on PH which is full of right wing conservatives.
Partly. Also he is just hopeless and a waste of everyones time. Plenty of pragmatic people across the spectrum wish he had never wandered onto the stage. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff