46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

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southendpier

5,260 posts

229 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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we're constantly told the Dems aren't left wing, so Brand is being consistent.

Al Gorithum

3,714 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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southendpier said:
we're constantly told the Dems aren't left wing, so Brand is being consistent.
Well, I think we can all agree that the Dems are left of the Reps. And I hope we can all agree (except for the hard of thinking) that the Dems are not "radical left", "socialists" "communists" or most of the other pejorative terms used?

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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Al Gorithum said:
jimmyjimjim said:
HM-2 said:
Roderick Spode said:
Perhaps almost as amusing is that you call the guy a Nazi for
I mean he clearly caveated by saying "so to speak" so he wasn't being literal, but Brand has drunk a great deal of the alt-right Koolade. He's also an absolute charlatan.
Brand has drunk a lot of stuff, for sure. I can stand about 30 seconds of one of his videos. 'so to speak' is a copout; make the accusation and back pedal in the same sentence.
Not really buddy. I was making the observation that he's gone from Left Wing to Right Wing, as have a few other people who struggle with mental health and/or addictions.
Russell Brand is 'Right Wing'? Ok.


HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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g3org3y said:
Russell Brand is 'Right Wing'? Ok.
Obsessed with woke, overtly perpetuating right wing conspiracy theories, renting about technocracy and globalism?

Think it's a fair assessment.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
g3org3y said:
Russell Brand is 'Right Wing'? Ok.
Obsessed with woke, overtly perpetuating right wing conspiracy theories, renting about technocracy and globalism?

Think it's a fair assessment.
Thanks for the laugh. hehe

HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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g3org3y said:
HM-2 said:
g3org3y said:
Russell Brand is 'Right Wing'? Ok.
Obsessed with woke, overtly perpetuating right wing conspiracy theories, renting about technocracy and globalism?

Think it's a fair assessment.
Thanks for the laugh. hehe
You're not going to present an argument to the contrary, then? How surprising.

paulguitar

23,418 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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He's an interesting character, Russell Brand. I had suspected he was probably bipolar and a quick Google appears to confirm that. He strikes me as intelligent but really struggling to keep himself under any kind of control. I remember an interview he did with Jeremy Paxman years ago where I found myself really warming to him, but the video posted above, I found myself unable to deal with for more than a few seconds. I suspect there is someone in there with some interesting stuff to say if he could just calm it all down a bit.




HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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He's also taken to spouting pro Russian propaganda over Ukraine, which of course is very normal and sensible and fine.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
g3org3y said:
HM-2 said:
g3org3y said:
Russell Brand is 'Right Wing'? Ok.
Obsessed with woke, overtly perpetuating right wing conspiracy theories, renting about technocracy and globalism?

Think it's a fair assessment.
Thanks for the laugh. hehe
You're not going to present an argument to the contrary, then? How surprising.
As far as I can see from his videos, he's anti-authoritarian government, anti-establishment, anti-big tech, anti-big data, anti-big pharma.

Sounds like a bit of hippy to me.

Yes, he tends to the conspiratorial side of things but he is willing to bring up the subjects that other are afraid to (eg mandatory covid vaccines, Canada Trucker protest etc) which makes him open to accusations of 'alt-right', but IMO, that doesn't make him 'Right Wing'.

Edited by g3org3y on Wednesday 29th June 16:57

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
He's also taken to spouting pro Russian propaganda over Ukraine, which of course is very normal and sensible and fine.
Link?

Crackie

6,386 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
Crackie said:
You may think that is accurate, and that is fine............many will not
They're entitled to their view on the subject, but they're wrong.

Crackie said:
suggests that oppressor / oppressed hierarchical structures are oppressive by nature
Oppressor/oppressed hierarchies are, by definition, oppressive. How can an oppressor not be oppressive? This is utter nonsense.

Edited by HM-2 on Wednesday 29th June 12:42
Please don't misrepresent what I've posted previously at 13.39 yesterday and stressed again at 10.22 this morning.

I made it clear, in both of those previous posts, about the narrative of hierarchical structures being framed by some simply as oppressor / oppressed. It is a simplistic view of hierarchical structures which, to use your term, is utter nonsense.

Societies have always had to endure those who look for scapegoats and someone else to blame............in recent years critical theorists and postmodernists have actively encouraged a victim/ grievance culture.

It's desperately negative. ...........but thought by some to equate to progress.


Al Gorithum

3,714 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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Oh I didn't realise that Brand is Bi-Polar. A friend/colleague has this condition, and I confirm that it's very difficult to live with and be around.

I thought his behaviours were a result of addictions because they seem fairly classic to me, and his addictions are documented.

Either way, the guy is a nob IMO and has nothing sensible to say.


HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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g3org3y said:
HM-2 said:
He's also taken to spouting pro Russian propaganda over Ukraine, which of course is very normal and sensible and fine.
Link?
Russell Brand pushing the "US biowarfare labs on Ukraine" conspiracy theory:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCr7zkPAm1Y

Russell Brand pushing the "NATO instigated the Revolution of Dignity and caused the Ukraine War" conspiracy theory.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CxMVcrvtqqs

There's about half a dozen others...basically, pick a Russell Brand video on the Russia-Ukraine conflict and there's an extremely high likelihood that it'll be perpetuating a pro-Russian conspiracy theory.

Catatafish

1,361 posts

145 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
T6 vanman said:
Maybe if you could be so kind to find the story I posted written by the lady who told her harrowing story of abuse during her migration to the US thumbup
Maybe you could point to the Biden policies that you believe caused the tragic event in Texas?
To be fair, you have to prove that Biden's policies did not cause this event in order to justify keeping on about it. You must be directly connected with the forensics guys investigating this, so it will be trivial to post some conclusive evidence about what was in some dead people's minds.

Opinions and hearsay are not the same as facts.

I would also like to remind that there is another thread where Brand is slagged off as a hearsayer/propagandist by people posting hearsay/propaganda.


HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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Catatafish said:
To be fair, you have to prove that Biden's policies did not cause this event in order to justify keeping on about it.
"To be fair", I don't. I'm not making any claim, so there's no burden of proof associated with my comments.

Pointing out that there's a complete absence of evidence presented by people who claim his administration are responsible for events, despite being provided multiple opportunities to support these views with evidence, doesn't require me to present evidence that his administration wasn't responsible.

This is really basic stuff and I'm slightly perplexed as to why you seem unable to grasp the difference.

Catatafish said:
I would also like to remind that there is another thread where Brand is slagged off as a hearsayer/propagandist by people posting hearsay/propaganda.
Feeble. Brand is "slagged off" because he perpetuates clear falsehoods purely because they align with the ideological positions he happens to favour right now.

Jeanboi

2,562 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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Well that made me giggle.

Russel Brand being labelled right wing and a Nazi? Well I never.

Ludicrous.




HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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Truth be told I don't think Brand is actually ideologically right wing, just seems to have found a happy little niche pushing reactionary and conspiratorial nonsense that happily aligns with the views of certain parts of the right on identity politics (ironic), Covid, the war in Ukraine, """wokeness""" and the general political environment.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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HM-2 said:
g3org3y said:
HM-2 said:
He's also taken to spouting pro Russian propaganda over Ukraine, which of course is very normal and sensible and fine.
Link?
Russell Brand pushing the "US biowarfare labs on Ukraine" conspiracy theory:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCr7zkPAm1Y

Russell Brand pushing the "NATO instigated the Revolution of Dignity and caused the Ukraine War" conspiracy theory.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CxMVcrvtqqs

There's about half a dozen others...basically, pick a Russell Brand video on the Russia-Ukraine conflict and there's an extremely high likelihood that it'll be perpetuating a pro-Russian conspiracy theory.
One man's 'conspiracy theory' is another man's alternative viewpoint worthy of discussion. Two years of covid has certainly shown us that things are more complicated than binary black or white, good or bad. Beliefs considered considered 'conspiracy theories' at the start turned out to have a decent amount of truth behind them.

I notice YouTube haven't removed or censored his videos as misinformation. Video titles are clickbaity as fk though to be fair.

Still doesn't make him 'Right Wing' though. Contrarian quite possibly.

HM-2 said:
Truth be told I don't think Brand is actually ideologically right wing, just seems to have found a happy little niche pushing reactionary and conspiratorial nonsense that happily aligns with the views of certain parts of the right on identity politics (ironic), Covid, the war in Ukraine, """wokeness""" and the general political environment.
So he's not Right Wing then? Got it thanks. thumbup

Anyway, back to BIden...

Electro1980

8,294 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Russel Brand isn’t right or left wing. He’s highly susceptible to any old conspiracy or band wagon. The political leaning of that is irrelevant. He just happens to have jumped on an alt-right libertarian band wagon at the moment.

Al Gorithum said:
Oh I didn't realise that Brand is Bi-Polar. A friend/colleague has this condition, and I confirm that it's very difficult to live with and be around.

I thought his behaviours were a result of addictions because they seem fairly classic to me, and his addictions are documented.

Either way, the guy is a nob IMO and has nothing sensible to say.
Addiction is prevalent among people with unmanaged or poorly managed bi-polar. Both poor impulse control during phases of mania and self medication make addiction a very high risk.

HM-2

12,467 posts

169 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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g3org3y said:
One man's 'conspiracy theory' is another man's alternative viewpoint worthy of discussion.
Nope, both of these are unquestionably conspiracy theories unsupported by evidence and contrary to reason or rationality.