How many have been vaccinated so far?
Discussion
otolith said:
At the risk of wandering off the topic of vaccination again - surface transmission - we know now that while it is a factor in Covid transmission, it's not a major one in most situations and that most transmission is airborne. We did not know that then, we were working on best guesses based on viruses we thought were similar, which is why we were focusing on handwashing and disinfection of surfaces and not initially on masks, ventilation and avoiding indoor spaces.
It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
So...when it became rather clear that fomite transmission wasn't a major factor at all I must have missed the government memo about not constantly having to persist with the hand sanitiser stations and all that crap with hands/face/space still being trumpeted prominently with no letup in stressing the washing your hands and such claptrap.It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
Following the science of course....
isaldiri said:
otolith said:
At the risk of wandering off the topic of vaccination again - surface transmission - we know now that while it is a factor in Covid transmission, it's not a major one in most situations and that most transmission is airborne. We did not know that then, we were working on best guesses based on viruses we thought were similar, which is why we were focusing on handwashing and disinfection of surfaces and not initially on masks, ventilation and avoiding indoor spaces.
It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
So...when it became rather clear that fomite transmission wasn't a major factor at all I must have missed the government memo about not constantly having to persist with the hand sanitiser stations and all that crap with hands/face/space still being trumpeted prominently with no letup in stressing the washing your hands and such claptrap.It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
Following the science of course....
I think it was proven to spread in a lab environment until someone pointed out that they had done the tests in darkness, meaning UV was not factored in.
Let's face it, having clean hands isn't the worst idea in the world.
There is a lot of good information in this Topic and thanks to all those who contribute it.
When do we think Booking is likely to open up for 40 to 45 year olds?
I have had my first shot but my wife is in that group and getting a little frustrated on about the lack of news on when she might get a date. By my back of a fag packet arithmetic 1st week of May seems possible.
When do we think Booking is likely to open up for 40 to 45 year olds?
I have had my first shot but my wife is in that group and getting a little frustrated on about the lack of news on when she might get a date. By my back of a fag packet arithmetic 1st week of May seems possible.
blackmme said:
There is a lot of good information in this Topic and thanks to all those who contribute it.
When do we think Booking is likely to open up for 40 to 45 year olds?
I have had my first shot but my wife is in that group and getting a little frustrated on about the lack of news on when she might get a date. By my back of a fag packet arithmetic 1st week of May seems possible.
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now). When do we think Booking is likely to open up for 40 to 45 year olds?
I have had my first shot but my wife is in that group and getting a little frustrated on about the lack of news on when she might get a date. By my back of a fag packet arithmetic 1st week of May seems possible.
Jinx said:
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now).
Thanks Jinx, that rate of 1st jabs does not seem to align with the Governments stated objectives...Jinx said:
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now).
Well given it's entirely sensible to ensure older people are fully protected and are probably more likely to develop long term protection via t cells and such with second doses, it's a good thing second doses are being prioritised over first doses to people who aren't at risk.isaldiri said:
Jinx said:
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now).
Well given it's entirely sensible to ensure older people are fully protected and are probably more likely to develop long term protection via t cells and such with second doses, it's a good thing second doses are being prioritised over first doses to people who aren't at risk.isaldiri said:
otolith said:
At the risk of wandering off the topic of vaccination again - surface transmission - we know now that while it is a factor in Covid transmission, it's not a major one in most situations and that most transmission is airborne. We did not know that then, we were working on best guesses based on viruses we thought were similar, which is why we were focusing on handwashing and disinfection of surfaces and not initially on masks, ventilation and avoiding indoor spaces.
It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
So...when it became rather clear that fomite transmission wasn't a major factor at all I must have missed the government memo about not constantly having to persist with the hand sanitiser stations and all that crap with hands/face/space still being trumpeted prominently with no letup in stressing the washing your hands and such claptrap.It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
Following the science of course....
The CDC has issued new guidance in the US - which still recommends hand washing but discourages surface disinfection.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/sci...
UK gov assessments prioritise airborne routes but still support handwashing and cleaning high touch surfaces.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Jinx said:
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now).
Me & the Mrs are both 49, first jabs already done.Our area seems to be running at least 2 weeks in advance of these dates.
superpp said:
Me & the Mrs are both 49, first jabs already done.
Our area seems to be running at least 2 weeks in advance of these dates.
There are postcode discrepancies though how much this is a reflection of the age demographics in each area v logistical issues isn't easy to find data on. Our area seems to be running at least 2 weeks in advance of these dates.
Jinx said:
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/281174/uk-popu... there are 4.4 Million 45-49 year olds. Jabbing them started last Tuesday (13/04/2021) but we are averaging only 110k 1st jabs a day. This takes us to the 23rd May unless the 1st Jab rate increases (2nd jabs are 3x the 1st jab rate now).
I think the government confirmed on Monday that 60% of those in the 45-49 year old category had been vaccinated. At 110k per day, 95% uptake takes to about 3 May.Harrison Bergeron said:
Sway said:
There's quite a lot of people in the UK who really do care about what's happening in India right now, and how prepared their health service is (as we now that when systems like that get overloaded, they collapse utterly and end up causing the things they're implemented to prevent)...
I'll let you figure out what that reason may be.
If you can, perhaps you might then realise that it's not a report to strike fear in the UK, as yes, things are a bit different here in terms of healthcare capacities.
That’s like comparing two methods of storing petrol.I'll let you figure out what that reason may be.
If you can, perhaps you might then realise that it's not a report to strike fear in the UK, as yes, things are a bit different here in terms of healthcare capacities.
One is a barrel with holes in it and a book of lit matches nearby and the other is the standard 10000litre tank with bunds and fire suppression.
Can you work out which country goes where in this analogy?
Meanwhile, there's a couple of million UK citizens who have familial ties to India who may well be interested to read about what's going on over there - hence it being UK newsworthy.
vaud said:
isaldiri said:
otolith said:
At the risk of wandering off the topic of vaccination again - surface transmission - we know now that while it is a factor in Covid transmission, it's not a major one in most situations and that most transmission is airborne. We did not know that then, we were working on best guesses based on viruses we thought were similar, which is why we were focusing on handwashing and disinfection of surfaces and not initially on masks, ventilation and avoiding indoor spaces.
It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
So...when it became rather clear that fomite transmission wasn't a major factor at all I must have missed the government memo about not constantly having to persist with the hand sanitiser stations and all that crap with hands/face/space still being trumpeted prominently with no letup in stressing the washing your hands and such claptrap.It seemed less likely that it was primarily airborne on the evidence available at the time - I wonder what the awkward squad would have made of measures against airborne transmission being introduced at that point on a purely precautionary basis? They made enough of a fuss when those measures were introduced with evidence to back them.
Following the science of course....
I think it was proven to spread in a lab environment until someone pointed out that they had done the tests in darkness, meaning UV was not factored in.
Let's face it, having clean hands isn't the worst idea in the world.
The point is people have been led to believe surfaces are a danger for catching covid. And many have listened to this advice and have become almost paranoid about the risk of surface transmission.
And yet we knew from the study work on the town of Heinsberg (which was a source of a largest outbreak in Germany last spring) and which was studied very carefully by Streeck, they went in expecting to see infection from fomites being a big reason for the spread of infection, and yet they couldn't find any viable virus which could be cultured, even on the door handles of houses where everyone inside was infected.
Hence it was clear early last year, covid wasn't being spread via surfaces. And yet, no-one in authority updates any of the public health policies, which leaves many people unnecessarily frightened. And which also results in many people taking "precautions" in their daily life against covid which are totally unnecessary.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
The curve ball(s) is / are going to be mutations / variants that develop escape mutations. The Bengal SARS-CoV-2 variant is being closely studied as we speak because it has 2 potential escape mutations.
"Potential" being the operative word. There have been ~100 million doses of the AZN vaccine given in India (which they are branding Covishield). Of these 100 million first doses, there have been 17,145 positive covid cases, which gives a rate of 0.017%. How many of these infections relate to the new variant isn't in this dataset, but it seems at least the vaccine looks effective (and slightly better than Covaxin, although the quantities are much lower for that jab).https://twitter.com/stevebrown2856/status/13848298...
EddieSteadyGo said:
<apologies for edit>
Hence it was clear early last year, covid wasn't being spread via surfaces. And yet, no-one in authority updates any of the public health policies, which leaves many people unnecessarily frightened. And which also results in many people taking "precautions" in their daily life against covid which are totally unnecessary.
Agreed, and it leads to some very odd behaviour. You hear tales of people disinfecting their grocery shopping and the like.Hence it was clear early last year, covid wasn't being spread via surfaces. And yet, no-one in authority updates any of the public health policies, which leaves many people unnecessarily frightened. And which also results in many people taking "precautions" in their daily life against covid which are totally unnecessary.
Here's a question: does the widespread use of surface disinfectants make a resistant virus strain more likely? I seem to recall reading that normal micro-organisms are harmless, but stop harmful bugs from replicating. If you try to sterilise everything, you open the door to some micro-nasties. No idea if that's true, anyone know?
Muncher said:
I think the government confirmed on Monday that 60% of those in the 45-49 year old category had been vaccinated. At 110k per day, 95% uptake takes to about 3 May.
Vaccine figures from the .gov website - from the 13-19 April inclusive (day from when the 45 and over was opened up to Monday) there were 781,639 1st dose vaccinations. Assuming all 781,639 were in the 45-49 age group and that 60% figure is correct then there are only 1.669 Million people in the 45-49 age group 
Hmmm something doesn't add up.
Jinx said:
Muncher said:
I think the government confirmed on Monday that 60% of those in the 45-49 year old category had been vaccinated. At 110k per day, 95% uptake takes to about 3 May.
Vaccine figures from the .gov website - from the 13-19 April inclusive (day from when the 45 and over was opened up to Monday) there were 781,639 1st dose vaccinations. Assuming all 781,639 were in the 45-49 age group and that 60% figure is correct then there are only 1.669 Million people in the 45-49 age group Hmmm something doesn't add up.
From looking at the figures, I think we should have offered all 40 year olds a jab by mid May.
Jinx said:
Vaccine figures from the .gov website - from the 13-19 April inclusive (day from when the 45 and over was opened up to Monday) there were 781,639 1st dose vaccinations. Assuming all 781,639 were in the 45-49 age group and that 60% figure is correct then there are only 1.669 Million people in the 45-49 age group
Hmmm something doesn't add up.
I'm 48 and received my 1st jab on the 24th of March which suggests something like a 3 week head start on the 'official' release of vaccine to the 45-49 age group?Hmmm something doesn't add up.
The numbers for 1st jabs were much higher back then so say 100,000 per day were in the 45-49 age group thats possibly 2.1m first jabs.
The numbers are pure speculation on my part, not trying to start an arguement here
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff