Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

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13,103 posts

122 months

Shambler

919 posts

108 months

Friday 8th January
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I would imagine Sturgeon must be getting very worried now.

Evercross

3,099 posts

28 months

Friday 8th January
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Shambler said:
I would imagine Sturgeon must be getting very worried now.
She should be.

The evidence is clear now that she broke the Ministerial Code. She is hoping that Covid and a publicity campaign orchestrated by the person she wants to succeed her, Angus Robertson, will get her across the line at the Holyrood elections so that she can organise the transition that will ensure the compliant and grateful Robertson (for whom the rules of selection for candidacy were changed to prevent his closest opponent Joanna Cherry from challenging him) will ensure her 'husband' Peter Murrell maintains his position as CEO of the SNP.

If Salmond, Cherry and Kenny MacAskill don't get to her first, that is.....

Uhtred

487 posts

6 months

Friday 8th January
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Evercross said:
The evidence is clear now that she broke the Ministerial Code. .
A bit premature surely to take Salmond’s evidence as gospel.

Can’t wait to see what the outcome is either way. If it’s found that she is guilty and supposing that she even agrees to resign off the back of it, I think it will put a big dent in the SNP’s popularity, initially. They’ll still have a majority but non of the potential successors are particularly popular.

Lim

2,274 posts

6 months

Friday 8th January
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To quote one esteemed blogger:

"Opposition politicians have one task. Make Sturgeon resign. She is the SNP’s first and last line of defence. There is nothing else."

Any thoughts on odds of this kicking off before the election?

Edited by Lim on Friday 8th January 20:45

hutchst

3,657 posts

60 months

Friday 8th January
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Uhtred said:
A bit premature surely to take Salmond’s evidence as gospel.

Can’t wait to see what the outcome is either way. If it’s found that she is guilty and supposing that she even agrees to resign off the back of it, I think it will put a big dent in the SNP’s popularity, initially. They’ll still have a majority but non of the potential successors are particularly popular.
Still have a majority of what?

Evercross

3,099 posts

28 months

Friday 8th January
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Lim said:
To quote one esteemed blogger:

"Opposition politicians have one task. Make Sturgeon resign. She is the SNP’s first and last line of defence. There is nothing else."
So, straight off the bat LothianJim/LimJim/Lim starts this iteration of the thread as he ended the previous - deflecting the true nature of the issue and trying to create the illusion that this is not an internal SNP matter.

As I said in the last thread, since when were Alex Salmond, Joanna Cherry, Kenny MacAskill, Jim Sillars and Stuart Campbell 'the opposition', except perhaps the Nationalist opposition to the Murrell dynasty?

Lim said:
Any thoughts on odds of this kicking off before the election?
It has already. As I also said in the last thread, this is now about Sturgeon holding back the pressure, not avoiding it.

And don't forget - this is an issue entirely of her making. She initiated the process, ostensibly on the back of since proven unfounded allegations of sexual misconduct by Salmond. If her motivation was to seek justice for the alleged victims then she should have stopped at the first failed case where it was evident before the case was even heard that her involvement had fatally tainted the process.

It has since transpired that her motivations were questionable - why would she want to dump on the legacy of her predecessor except perhaps to prevent him returning to backroom politics of the SNP as its next CEO ousting 'Mr. Sturgeon' aka Peter Murrell in the process, and dubious contradictory testament by Nicola Sturgeon and her 'husband' to the enquiry, her lies in the Holyrood Chamber and her ignoring not one but two votes by the Scottish Parliament compelling her to hand over evidence to the enquiry are already a matter of record.

The public at large might have a short attention span for these things, but it is patently obvious that Salmond and his legal team and the Nationalist members loyal to him do not.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 8th January 21:03

Uhtred

487 posts

6 months

Friday 8th January
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hutchst said:
Still have a majority of what?
Is that a serious question?

Evercross

3,099 posts

28 months

Friday 8th January
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Uhtred said:
hutchst said:
Still have a majority of what?
Is that a serious question?
Yup.

The SNP are currently a minority government, and have never commanded a majority of votes in any election.

Common misapprehension to think otherwise, but understandable given the misleading impression given by Nationalists themselves, and most media outlets.

Jasey_

3,238 posts

142 months

Friday 8th January
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Evercross said:
Yup.

The SNP are currently a minority government, and have never commanded a majority of votes in any election.

Common misapprehension to think otherwise, but understandable given the misleading impression given by Nationalists themselves, and most media outlets.
But there was a poll and the majority of Scots want freedom.

Doesn't that count rofl

Lim

2,274 posts

6 months

Friday 8th January
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Evercross said:
Lim said:
To quote one esteemed blogger:

"Opposition politicians have one task. Make Sturgeon resign. She is the SNP’s first and last line of defence. There is nothing else."
So, straight off the bat LothianJim/LimJim/Lim starts this iteration of the thread as he ended the previous - deflecting the true nature of the issue and trying to create the illusion that this is not an internal SNP matter.

As I said in the last thread, since when were Alex Salmond, Joanna Cherry, Kenny MacAskill, Jim Sillars and Stuart Campbell 'the opposition', except perhaps the Nationalist opposition to the Murrell dynasty?

Lim said:
Any thoughts on odds of this kicking off before the election?
It has already. As I also said in the last thread, this is now about Sturgeon holding back the pressure, not avoiding it.

And don't forget - this is an issue entirely of her making. She initiated the process, ostensibly on the back of since proven unfounded allegations of sexual misconduct by Salmond. If her motivation was to seek justice for the alleged victims then she should have stopped at the first failed case where it was evident before the case was even heard that her involvement had fatally tainted the process.

It has since transpired that her motivations were questionable - why would she want to dump on the legacy of her predecessor except perhaps to prevent him returning to backroom politics of the SNP as its next CEO ousting 'Mr. Sturgeon' aka Peter Murrell in the process, and dubious contradictory testament by Nicola Sturgeon and her 'husband' to the enquiry, her lies in the Holyrood Chamber and her ignoring not one but two votes by the Scottish Parliament compelling her to hand over evidence to the enquiry are already a matter of record.

The public at large might have a short attention span for these things, but it is patently obvious that Salmond and his legal team and the Nationalist members loyal to him do not.

The true nature of the issue is AS is trying to make Sturgeon resign?

I would say, in terms of NS's ongoing position, anyone trying to get NS fired at all costs, can be described as opposition.

Yes I can see how it was all quite avoidable. Then again, Salmon seems a determined chap and perhaps he might have found another angle.

I'm still not entirely up to speed on why this is a problem for NS outside the obvious downside of being forced to resign if found guilty.

hidetheelephants

16,950 posts

157 months

Friday 8th January
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Lim said:
The true nature of the issue is AS is trying to make Sturgeon resign?

I would say, in terms of NS's ongoing position, anyone trying to get NS fired at all costs, can be described as opposition.

Yes I can see how it was all quite avoidable. Then again, Salmon seems a determined chap and perhaps he might have found another angle.

I'm still not entirely up to speed on why this is a problem for NS outside the obvious downside of being forced to resign if found guilty.
rofl The scottish version of Stupid Watergate seems mostly self-inflicted, the lying and obfuscation have created more ripples than would have been created by being forthright about it and having some civil servants, some who appear entirely enamoured of their own importance, resign due to incompetence.

A.J.M

6,998 posts

150 months

Friday 8th January
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18998623.alex-...

The evidence is starting to mount up for this.

Salmond won’t go quietly into the night.
Nippy knows this, it’s only a matter of time before this blows up, one way or another.

Uhtred

487 posts

6 months

Friday 8th January
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Evercross said:
Yup.

The SNP are currently a minority government, and have never commanded a majority of votes in any election.

Common misapprehension to think otherwise, but understandable given the misleading impression given by Nationalists themselves, and most media outlets.
Well yes. I could have said they have a ‘simple majority’ or to be more correct - plurality. My point really is that they will remain in power albeit as a ‘minority government’ and they do have the majority of Scottish seats in WM which again I think will continue for the foreseeable.

I just can’t see the U.K. supporting parties ever working together and putting up one candidate against SNP. What other solution is there?

Roderick Spode

995 posts

13 months

Friday 8th January
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I have multiple bags of popcorn and several decent single malts in preparation for the last two weeks of January, when the Ecktopus and Madame Krankie make their appearances under oath to the inquiry. I can hardly wait. No doubt the SNP stooges will give them the easiest of easy rides, but hopefully the opposition MSPs will find some teeth and ask the right questions. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I think Salmond will go out there with all guns blazing. He wants his pound of flesh for wrongful accusations at the behest of his protégé, and Sturgeon knows it. I sincerely hope that we have entered the last month of Foghorn Dreghorn's disastrous premiership.

Roderick Spode

995 posts

13 months

Saturday 9th January
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It's all kicking off over at Wings in the Bath.

Alex Salmond said:
The pre-arranged meeting in the Scottish Parliament of 29th March 2018 was “forgotten” about because acknowledging it would have rendered ridiculous the claim made by the First Minister in Parliament that it had been believed that the meeting on 2nd April was on SNP Party business (Official Report 8th & 10th January 2019) and thus held at her private residence.

In reality all participants in that meeting were fully aware of what the meeting was about and why it had been arranged. The meeting took place with a shared understanding of the issues for discussion – the complaints made and the Scottish Government procedure which had been launched.

The First Minister’s claim that it was ever thought to be about anything other than the complaints made against me is wholly false.

The failure to account for the meeting on 29th March 2018 when making a statement to Parliament, and thereafter failing to correct that false representation, is a further breach of the Ministerial Code.

Further, the repeated representation to the Parliament of the meeting on the 2nd April 2018 as being a ‘party’ meeting because it proceeded in ignorance of the complaints is false and manifestly untrue. The meeting on 2nd April 2018 was arranged as a direct consequence of the prior meeting about the complaints held in the Scottish Parliament on 29th March 2018.
Applying the ministerial code at face value, it's difficult to see how Teflon Nicola walks away from this one unscathed. Salmond is definitely out to get her.


https://wingsoverscotland.com/hiroshima-non-amour/

technodup

7,287 posts

94 months

Saturday 9th January
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Roderick Spode said:
Applying the ministerial code at face value, it's difficult to see how Teflon Nicola walks away from this one unscathed. Salmond is definitely out to get her.
It's pretty clear it's a fight to the death. And my money's on Salmond.

Evercross

3,099 posts

28 months

Saturday 9th January
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Lim said:
The true nature of the issue is AS is trying to make Sturgeon resign?
No - he is rightly redeeming his reputation after being falsely accused and acquitted of sexual assault charges and he is doing so by revealing evidence of who, how and when these false accusations were concocted.

If that results in the person or persons responsible being deemed to have lied to the extent that they attempted to confect charges to get Salmond put in prison but seek to deny their involvement, and if that damages their integrity to the point that their position of responsibility becomes untenable then so be it - it will be a self-inflicted wound.

Lim said:
I would say, in terms of NS's ongoing position, anyone trying to get NS fired at all costs, can be described as opposition.
See above - AS is not trying to get NS 'fired at all costs' so your hyperbole is typical postulation in your mind. If Nicola has to resign over this it will be by her own hand and via her own reprehensible actions.

Lim said:
Yes I can see how it was all quite avoidable.
Indeed - if Nicola wasn't such a then she could have avoided it.

Lim said:
Then again, Salmon seems a determined chap and perhaps he might have found another angle.
There is no other 'angle', just the truth, and Salmond has every right to defend his name against what is now obvious was a deliberate attempt to destroy his reputation. Even with her reply yesterday Sturgeon was not giving up on her 'angle' that there was truth in her accusations despite Salmond being cleared of them, twice!

Lim said:
I'm still not entirely up to speed on why this is a problem for NS outside the obvious downside of being forced to resign if found guilty.
rofl

As problems go for anyone it really doesn't get worse than that, bearing in mind that criminal charges for contempt of oath will probably follow shortly after.

As I said many times before - you are a hopeless case and an intellectual pygmy to-boot. Either the statement above is intentional trolling or you really are a clutz.

Edited by Evercross on Saturday 9th January 08:38

Lim

2,274 posts

6 months

Saturday 9th January
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biggrin Sure. As soon as the real truth comes out on how closely NS stuck to process, Alex's true, very non-pervy nature will be clear to all


Edited by Lim on Saturday 9th January 08:43

hotchy

2,809 posts

90 months

Saturday 9th January
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Alex salmond. The one and only SNP member to actually manage to get a referendum. Yet now I find myself fully backing him to destroy sturgeon, the lying dirty cow. Mon salmond go get her.