Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Lotobear]

irc said:

We are living in strange times when I find myself agreeing more and more with George Galloway.

Whilst I do not share his political views in any shape or form, seeing George hand the US Senate their arses gift wrapped on a plate, in the full public glare, has to go down as the one of the best bits of poltical theatre I have ever witnessed. Its the most escoriating spectacle, the way the chairman's expression changes as time goes on is simply priceless

[biggbn]

Lotobear said:

irc said:

We are living in strange times when I find myself agreeing more and more with George Galloway.

Whilst I do not share his political views in any shape or form, seeing George hand the US Senate their arses gift wrapped on a plate, in the full public glare, has to go down as the one of the best bits of poltical theatre I have ever witnessed. Its the most escoriating spectacle, the way the chairman's expression changes as time goes on is simply priceless

I have always liked Galloway, but his Big Brother performance really destroyed his credibility...

[NoddyonNitrous]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

It all leaves the question; what is Salmond's goal?

He may be an egotistical narcissist, he may feel as a victim of corruption it's his moral and personal duty to bring the wrongdoers to justice. However t
If he achieves that, it kills the building momentum for independence. A vacuum in the movement risks what ostensibly has been his life's work in politics.

That's why I believe he has to have a motive beyond operation torpedo Mammie.

I think that through his court cases, he has become aware of, and appalled by, the connivance and blurring between political party, government, civil service and crown office and the erosion of the barriers and independence these different entities must have for a healthy functioning democracy. He recognises this as a threat to democracy generally and to a legitimate independence project (which he has spent most of his life persuing) in particular. he has therefore seen it as his duty to expose it and return Scotland to a stable system of parliament and government that is lawful and sustainable. IMHO. I think this is laudable, even though I have no time for his politics or his persona.

[Wombat3]

NoddyonNitrous said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

It all leaves the question; what is Salmond's goal?

He may be an egotistical narcissist, he may feel as a victim of corruption it's his moral and personal duty to bring the wrongdoers to justice. However t
If he achieves that, it kills the building momentum for independence. A vacuum in the movement risks what ostensibly has been his life's work in politics.

That's why I believe he has to have a motive beyond operation torpedo Mammie.

I think that through his court cases, he has become aware of, and appalled by, the connivance and blurring between political party, government, civil service and crown office and the erosion of the barriers and independence these different entities must have for a healthy functioning democracy. He recognises this as a threat to democracy generally and to a legitimate independence project (which he has spent most of his life persuing) in particular. he has therefore seen it as his duty to expose it and return Scotland to a stable system of parliament and government that is lawful and sustainable. IMHO. I think this is laudable, even though I have no time for his politics or his persona.

I'd agree with that. His references to the leadership of all the various entities being broken (but not the entities themselves) said as much. What it also demonstrates is that further checks & balances are needed in the system because this should not have been possible.

That and he wants to clear his name & have it known that they tried to skewer him.

What I think is going to be more interesting will be the UK government's reactions & actions once we know the final outcomes.

If Sturgeon goes then what happens next to put things back on the straight & narrow?

[amusingduck]

Wombat3 said:

What I think is going to be more interesting will be the UK government's reactions & actions once we know the final outcomes.

If Sturgeon goes then what happens next to put things back on the straight & narrow?

I'm not sure any response is a good idea. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

You can hear the face painters screeching from here, best to leave them to it. Change must come from within, not from wastemonster

[Wombat3]

amusingduck said:

Wombat3 said:

What I think is going to be more interesting will be the UK government's reactions & actions once we know the final outcomes.

If Sturgeon goes then what happens next to put things back on the straight & narrow?

I'm not sure any response is a good idea. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

You can hear the face painters screeching from here, best to leave them to it. Change must come from within, not from wastemonster

For sure, until the outcome is clear nothing is going to be said. Afterwards some subtle tweaks to legislation might well be in order & that is simply to ensure that time & money is spent by the SG on running Scotland, not running an independence campaign

The likes of Bunter will scream but tough st, QED ya fat , you (the SNP) can't be trusted

[NoddyonNitrous]

If this vote of no confidence succeeds, we could lose Swinney and Sturgeon in one week - that would behead the Government. Forbes and Freeman to the rescue! Jeez!

[Ridgemont]

NoddyonNitrous said:

If this vote of no confidence succeeds, we could lose Swinney and Sturgeon in one week - that would behead the Government. Forbes and Freeman to the rescue! Jeez!

I maybe wrong but I’d say the chances of the Greens flipping are minimal...

[Wombat3]

Ridgemont said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

If this vote of no confidence succeeds, we could lose Swinney and Sturgeon in one week - that would behead the Government. Forbes and Freeman to the rescue! Jeez!

I maybe wrong but I’d say the chances of the Greens flipping are minimal...

Yep, spineless on a good day.

[Garvin]

Wombat3 said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

It all leaves the question; what is Salmond's goal?

He may be an egotistical narcissist, he may feel as a victim of corruption it's his moral and personal duty to bring the wrongdoers to justice. However t
If he achieves that, it kills the building momentum for independence. A vacuum in the movement risks what ostensibly has been his life's work in politics.

That's why I believe he has to have a motive beyond operation torpedo Mammie.

I think that through his court cases, he has become aware of, and appalled by, the connivance and blurring between political party, government, civil service and crown office and the erosion of the barriers and independence these different entities must have for a healthy functioning democracy. He recognises this as a threat to democracy generally and to a legitimate independence project (which he has spent most of his life persuing) in particular. he has therefore seen it as his duty to expose it and return Scotland to a stable system of parliament and government that is lawful and sustainable. IMHO. I think this is laudable, even though I have no time for his politics or his persona.

I'd agree with that. His references to the leadership of all the various entities being broken (but not the entities themselves) said as much. What it also demonstrates is that further checks & balances are needed in the system because this should not have been possible.

That and he wants to clear his name & have it known that they tried to skewer him.

What I think is going to be more interesting will be the UK government's reactions & actions once we know the final outcomes.

If Sturgeon goes then what happens next to put things back on the straight & narrow?

I’m not convinced Salmond has the reform of the Scottish administration to restore ‘proper’ democracy as his prime objective. I think he is going for broke - he wants revenge first and foremost i.e. the Murrels gone for good but he must not be seen to be the one delivering the coup de grace on Sturgeon and must clear his name comprehensively otherwise his other objective of returning to the helm of the SNP will be compromised. Therefore he is playing a complex game of trying to get acceptance of wrong doing and the underlings fired to clear his name and get the Parliament to dethrone Sturgeon and, in proving the deceit, also get Mr Murrel to resign. Salmond will then come to the rescue of the SNP (the SNats will accept him back as the end justifies the means), install a patsy as replacement FM and then, in slower time, get himself re-elected as an MSP in order to become First Minister himself. With the Murrels gone who is going to stop him?

[sherman]

NoddyonNitrous said:

If this vote of no confidence succeeds, we could lose Swinney and Sturgeon in one week - that would behead the Government. Forbes and Freeman to the rescue! Jeez!

Sarwar saying if the documents arent released then Labour will back the no confidence vote
BBC News - No-confidence motion tabled over Salmond legal advice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

[ninepoint2]

Looks like Greens supporting the no confidence motion

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/john-s...

[s2kjock]

ninepoint2 said:

Looks like Greens supporting the no confidence motion

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/john-s...

That's gratitude for you after the SNP finally agreed to bin dualling the A96 and A9.

[tim0409]

Swinney to release the legal advice tomorrow....the next few days could be very interesting.

[Quisling]

s2kjock said:

ninepoint2 said:

Looks like Greens supporting the no confidence motion

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/john-s...

That's gratitude for you after the SNP finally agreed to bin dualling the A96 and A9.

Swinney under the bus and Queen nicola can carry on as if nothing happened

[Lim]

s2kjock said:

That's gratitude for you after the SNP finally agreed to bin dualling the A96 and A9.

[Lim]

Looks like the legal advice is coming.

[Leithen]

s2kjock said:

ninepoint2 said:

Looks like Greens supporting the no confidence motion

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/john-s...

That's gratitude for you after the SNP finally agreed to bin dualling the A96 and A9.

Very little boils my piss more. Half of Scotland including Inverness left to rot. If in France, we would have had a motorway/autoroute in the 50's/60's.

[Dr Jekyll]

Let's hope he releases the whole lot, I see a fudge coming.

[NoddyonNitrous]

Dr Jekyll said:

Let's hope he releases the whole lot, I see a fudge coming.