Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Roderick Spode]

Evercross said:

Quisling said:

Evercross said:

Anything happen while I was away.....?

Apparently some bloke was banned and then came back as a sock puppet account

the fault of the english.

My doppleganger.

We've never been seen in the same room together, apparently.

This exchange will make certain contributor's heads collectively explode.

[biggbn]

I hold my hands up EV and Q, I thought you were one and the same people for a while. All seemed too coincidental to actually be a coincidence. This place is gradually chipping away at my positive attitude towards others, damn and blast..

Edited by biggbn on Thursday 4th March 13:13

[marcella]

I thought I would chime in on this thread as I've been lurking for some time.

I have never been into politics as I've always had the view that every party is as corrupt as the next so it would never make a difference who was running the show. This has been my reason for never voting.

I never voted during the last indyref (I'm Scottish btw) as I honestly did not know what would be for the best.

I am taking more notice of politics over the past year and was starting to be impressed by NS standing up everyday and addressing the country on Covid. I was happy with most of her decisions.

However over the past few months I have seen NS using her platform to try and upstage Boris (which doesn't seem hard imo) and also the controversy over the Salmond case.

I want to vote for the next indyref (if we get it) but I'm still unsure what I would vote for. This has been my issue in researching both sides of the arguments but it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both sides bash each other and it's so difficult for me to see the unbiased views.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I think we would cock it up and it's too big of a risk. I saw one post on here which seemed the most unbiased in that the ideal outcome would be we stay in the UK but have a lot more power than we do now. I also fear if we did get independence there would be a big divide in the country between the two sides which I think would only grow worse over time.

All the people around me are similar to me and are unsure, some just hate the tories and others are die hard Rangers fans. I get the impression most people that will vote will be clueless and going in with a one track mind. I honestly think the general public have no right to vote in something they know very little about but will have a very large outcome.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some of you can give me your unbiased views and not give me a bashing for my lack of knowledge in this field, but I want to learn more.

[TheJimi]

biggbn said:

I hold my hands up EV and Q, I thought you were one and the same people for a while. All seemed to coincidental to actually be a coincidence. This place is gradually chipping away at my positive attitude towards others, damn and blast..

It's not outwith the realms of possibility for them to be one and the same, and currently replying to their own alter-egos in order to throw you all off the scent


(am I helping? )

[amusingduck]

TheJimi said:

It's not outwith the realms of possibility for them to be one and the same, and currently replying to their own alter-egos in order to throw you all off the scent


(am I helping? )

That's exactly what someone would say to distract attention from their main account and towards their two sock puppets!

[TheJimi]

Mind. Blown.

[Quisling]

TheJimi said:

It's not outwith the realms of possibility for them to be one and the same, and currently replying to their own alter-egos in order to throw you all off the scent


(am I helping? )

Maybe


We should start signing our posts

Evercross

[deadslow]

Evercross said:

Quisling said:

Evercross said:

Anything happen while I was away.....?

Apparently some bloke was banned and then came back as a sock puppet account

the fault of the english.

My doppleganger.

We've never been seen in the same room together, apparently.

first sign of madness

[hidetheelephants]

Quisling said:

TheJimi said:

It's not outwith the realms of possibility for them to be one and the same, and currently replying to their own alter-egos in order to throw you all off the scent


(am I helping? )

Maybe


We should start signing our posts

Evercross

Cheers,

The Moose

[Evercross]

hidetheelephants said:

Cheers,

The Moose

Brilliant idea.


Quisling

[ant1973]

Evercross said:

Anything happen while I was away.....?

Welcome back old friend!

I want a solid outpouring of top quality bile that has doubtless been building up for a month....

[Dr Jekyll]

Ruth Davidson just asked Nicola Sturgeon the crucial question as to why the information that caused the judicial review to be conceded came as such a shock to the Scottish Government who had bees responsible for concealing it for months. NS ignored the question and simply attacked RD for being about to join the House of Lords.

[hidetheelephants]

marcella said:

I thought I would chime in on this thread as I've been lurking for some time.

I have never been into politics as I've always had the view that every party is as corrupt as the next so it would never make a difference who was running the show. This has been my reason for never voting.

I never voted during the last indyref (I'm Scottish btw) as I honestly did not know what would be for the best.

I am taking more notice of politics over the past year and was starting to be impressed by NS standing up everyday and addressing the country on Covid. I was happy with most of her decisions.

However over the past few months I have seen NS using her platform to try and upstage Boris (which doesn't seem hard imo) and also the controversy over the Salmond case.

I want to vote for the next indyref (if we get it) but I'm still unsure what I would vote for. This has been my issue in researching both sides of the arguments but it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both sides bash each other and it's so difficult for me to see the unbiased views.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I think we would cock it up and it's too big of a risk. I saw one post on here which seemed the most unbiased in that the ideal outcome would be we stay in the UK but have a lot more power than we do now. I also fear if we did get independence there would be a big divide in the country between the two sides which I think would only grow worse over time.

All the people around me are similar to me and are unsure, some just hate the tories and others are die hard Rangers fans. I get the impression most people that will vote will be clueless and going in with a one track mind. I honestly think the general public have no right to vote in something they know very little about but will have a very large outcome.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some of you can give me your unbiased views and not give me a bashing for my lack of knowledge in this field, but I want to learn more.

The SNP and some indy supporters do not want devomax or a federal settlement because they fear such a thing would significantly reduce any chance of full independence. Anyone worrying about their next meal would on paper be ill-advised to vote for independence because it will very likely make them a lot poorer, yet that demographic is well represented in the independence camp; they(and the non-precariat middle class indy types who largely don't worry about their next meal) vote for this because they like the fantasy the SNP and other irresponsible people are spinning them about what it might be like, beer and skittles, ambrosia, bright shining uplands, celtic tigers, arcs of prosperity, the usual exceptionalist balderdash about how scots are inherently better than the rest of the britons without presenting anything as prosaic as evidence and as a result of this exceptionalism iScotland would magically not be mired in mediocrity with a parliament occupied by too many inadequate seat-warmers who got where they are because of being party members/councillors of x years standing rather than actual ability.

[Evercross]

Dr Jekyll said:

Ruth Davidson just asked Nicola Sturgeon the crucial question as to why the information that caused the judicial review to be conceded came as such a shock to the Scottish Government who had bees responsible for concealing it for months. NS ignored the question and simply attacked RD for being about to join the House of Lords.

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Nicola might have had a shot at a seat in the Lords (and don't think for a minute she wouldn't like to at least be considered) but she killed that prospect yesterday.

She would of course say that she would never stoop to such UK establishment trappings if someone was to suggest she had blown her chance. Nicola - the master of straddling two camps!

[NoddyonNitrous]

Evercross said:

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Nicola might have had a shot at a seat in the Lords (and don't think for a minute she wouldn't like to at least be considered) but she killed that prospect yesterday.

She would of course say that she would never stoop to such UK establishment trappings if someone was to suggest she had blown her chance. Nicola - the master of straddling two camps!

One foot on either side of the dyke.
She'd jump at an EU job though, I wonder what happened to her chances of that yesterday? (And I know that there's no chance since we're not back in the EU yet)

[alangla]

marcella said:

I thought I would chime in on this thread as I've been lurking for some time.

I have never been into politics as I've always had the view that every party is as corrupt as the next so it would never make a difference who was running the show. This has been my reason for never voting.

I never voted during the last indyref (I'm Scottish btw) as I honestly did not know what would be for the best.

I am taking more notice of politics over the past year and was starting to be impressed by NS standing up everyday and addressing the country on Covid. I was happy with most of her decisions.

However over the past few months I have seen NS using her platform to try and upstage Boris (which doesn't seem hard imo) and also the controversy over the Salmond case.

I want to vote for the next indyref (if we get it) but I'm still unsure what I would vote for. This has been my issue in researching both sides of the arguments but it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both sides bash each other and it's so difficult for me to see the unbiased views.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I think we would cock it up and it's too big of a risk. I saw one post on here which seemed the most unbiased in that the ideal outcome would be we stay in the UK but have a lot more power than we do now. I also fear if we did get independence there would be a big divide in the country between the two sides which I think would only grow worse over time.

All the people around me are similar to me and are unsure, some just hate the tories and others are die hard Rangers fans. I get the impression most people that will vote will be clueless and going in with a one track mind. I honestly think the general public have no right to vote in something they know very little about but will have a very large outcome.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some of you can give me your unbiased views and not give me a bashing for my lack of knowledge in this field, but I want to learn more.

This is probably pretty representative of a lot of people, particularly the section I've bolded.
One crucial thing is, as you've identified, it's not Team Facepaint, or the God Save The Queen crowd that will decide independence or not - they've already made their decision - it's people like you and probably a few other quieter posters on here that will make the decision.
IMHO - if these individuals have looked at what's happened over the last few months, they'll be quietly terrified at what appears, on the face of it, to have been going on. This, not Boris or the next election or anything else, will be what kills Indy.

[Lotobear]

NoddyonNitrous said:

One foot on either side of the dyke.

...was a deliberate play on words?

[Evercross]

NoddyonNitrous said:

One foot on either side of the dyke.
She'd jump at an EU job though, I wonder what happened to her chances of that yesterday?

Hmmm.

The legal-eagle in me picked up on one of the aspects of Sturgeon's testimony that probably passed most casual observers by. She likened the decision to go ahead with the judicial enquiry against the legal advice with her decision to go ahead with MUP legislation against legal advice.

(Notwithstanding that it is the detail of the legal advice that matters) she claimed success in getting MUP to law despite the advice saying it would probably fail.

David Cameron sought the same advice over MUP and decided at the time not to proceed - the reasoning being that it would not be compatible with impending EU law (Cameron was cock-sure the Brexit vote would go his way).

How ironic that Brexit probably saved one of her totem legislation that she is so immensely proud of.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 4th March 13:45

[TheJimi]

alangla said:

marcella said:

I thought I would chime in on this thread as I've been lurking for some time.

I have never been into politics as I've always had the view that every party is as corrupt as the next so it would never make a difference who was running the show. This has been my reason for never voting.

I never voted during the last indyref (I'm Scottish btw) as I honestly did not know what would be for the best.

I am taking more notice of politics over the past year and was starting to be impressed by NS standing up everyday and addressing the country on Covid. I was happy with most of her decisions.

However over the past few months I have seen NS using her platform to try and upstage Boris (which doesn't seem hard imo) and also the controversy over the Salmond case.

I want to vote for the next indyref (if we get it) but I'm still unsure what I would vote for. This has been my issue in researching both sides of the arguments but it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both sides bash each other and it's so difficult for me to see the unbiased views.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I think we would cock it up and it's too big of a risk. I saw one post on here which seemed the most unbiased in that the ideal outcome would be we stay in the UK but have a lot more power than we do now. I also fear if we did get independence there would be a big divide in the country between the two sides which I think would only grow worse over time.

All the people around me are similar to me and are unsure, some just hate the tories and others are die hard Rangers fans. I get the impression most people that will vote will be clueless and going in with a one track mind. I honestly think the general public have no right to vote in something they know very little about but will have a very large outcome.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some of you can give me your unbiased views and not give me a bashing for my lack of knowledge in this field, but I want to learn more.

This is probably pretty representative of a lot of people, particularly the section I've bolded.
One crucial thing is, as you've identified, it's not Team Facepaint, or the God Save The Queen crowd that will decide independence or not - they've already made their decision - it's people like you and probably a few other quieter posters on here that will make the decision.
IMHO - if these individuals have looked at what's happened over the last few months, they'll be quietly terrified at what appears, on the face of it, to have been going on. This, not Boris or the next election or anything else, will be what kills Indy.

The bold is also me.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I also think the we would fk it up, and I don't think that's a risk worth taking just to be able to say we're independent.

[Quisling]

TheJimi said:

alangla said:

marcella said:

I thought I would chime in on this thread as I've been lurking for some time.

I have never been into politics as I've always had the view that every party is as corrupt as the next so it would never make a difference who was running the show. This has been my reason for never voting.

I never voted during the last indyref (I'm Scottish btw) as I honestly did not know what would be for the best.

I am taking more notice of politics over the past year and was starting to be impressed by NS standing up everyday and addressing the country on Covid. I was happy with most of her decisions.

However over the past few months I have seen NS using her platform to try and upstage Boris (which doesn't seem hard imo) and also the controversy over the Salmond case.

I want to vote for the next indyref (if we get it) but I'm still unsure what I would vote for. This has been my issue in researching both sides of the arguments but it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both sides bash each other and it's so difficult for me to see the unbiased views.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I think we would cock it up and it's too big of a risk. I saw one post on here which seemed the most unbiased in that the ideal outcome would be we stay in the UK but have a lot more power than we do now. I also fear if we did get independence there would be a big divide in the country between the two sides which I think would only grow worse over time.

All the people around me are similar to me and are unsure, some just hate the tories and others are die hard Rangers fans. I get the impression most people that will vote will be clueless and going in with a one track mind. I honestly think the general public have no right to vote in something they know very little about but will have a very large outcome.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some of you can give me your unbiased views and not give me a bashing for my lack of knowledge in this field, but I want to learn more.

This is probably pretty representative of a lot of people, particularly the section I've bolded.
One crucial thing is, as you've identified, it's not Team Facepaint, or the God Save The Queen crowd that will decide independence or not - they've already made their decision - it's people like you and probably a few other quieter posters on here that will make the decision.
IMHO - if these individuals have looked at what's happened over the last few months, they'll be quietly terrified at what appears, on the face of it, to have been going on. This, not Boris or the next election or anything else, will be what kills Indy.

The bold is also me.

I like the idea of an independent Scotland, but I also think the we would fk it up, and I don't think that's a risk worth taking just to be able to say we're independent.

And me

i think with the current crop in holyrood the worst probably outcome is civil war

The most likely is massive austerity and a wee bit of bloodshed as utopia hasn't been delivered so the YOONs must be at fault

the best possible outcome is

Like just now but with a tartan passport with 367 different options for gender which will be a pain in the ass at immigration