Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Greedydog]

MrMan001 said:

Greedydog said:

None which would comparable in complexity and it would have taken an awful lot more than £200m.

I'd agree that the Scottish situation is probably considerably less complex than those examples (particularly South Africa), you're probably right about the budget. The value of Scotland, both to the union and the potential costs/benefit of independence, are quite difficult to quantify in purely accounting terms (a bit like railways in that regard).

What? Scotland, as a 21st century society intertwined inextricably with the rest of the UK would be FAR more complex. As for budget, what has the set up cost of independence got to do with the value of Scotland? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Go read some of the previous threads on here about the potential costs and complexities.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Wombat3 said:

The Scots have a better deal in terms of public spending than the rest of us anyway & yet they have proved that they can't run a piss up in a brewery. Enough is enough.

I have to correct you there, it's not so much the SNP can't run the place properly, they simply dont want to run it properly,
run it poorly, fk everything up, have the worst statistics in Europe for many things, wreck the education system and
a plethora of others, then blame it on Westminster, the gullible and blind will agree and thenceforth vote for indy.

Those that are a bit more cognitively aware can clearly see through their deception (the majority of Scots).

[Roderick Spode]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Wombat3 said:

The Scots have a better deal in terms of public spending than the rest of us anyway & yet they have proved that they can't run a piss up in a brewery. Enough is enough.

I have to correct you there, it's not so much the SNP can't run the place properly, they simply dont want to run it properly,
run it poorly, fk everything up, have the worst statistics in Europe for many things, wreck the education system and
a plethora of others, then blame it on Westminster, the gullible and blind will agree and thenceforth vote for indy.

Those that are a bit more cognitively aware can clearly see through their deception (the majority of Scots).

Hence why the SNP endlessly squeal for additional powers, yet when they are offered (e.g. welfare) refuse to take them. Their fanatics give them a free pass, and continue to blame Westminster. It's cult fanaticism, and beyond tiresome.

Henry McLeish resigned as FM in 2001 following irregularities in the sub-letting of his Westminster constituency office. Chief cheerleaders calling for that resignation were the SNP, claiming it demeaned the office of First Minister.

[Earthdweller]

biggbn said:

Lotobear said:

...probably because you're not English I would guess?

I have unfortunately experienced it on more a number of occassions and I'm only 10 miles south of the border so almost a Scot!, it's got much worse in the last 10-15 years and one of the worst areas seems to be along the border. My experience of Galloway is particularly bad (I had a very unpleasant experience in the 'Criffel' in New Abbey a few years back as soon as our group spoke and our origin was revealed), less so when you get into the highlands though or at least that's what I've found.

I used to love going to Scotland on holiday to but to be frank right now I wouldn't do it, thankfully I have the Lakes on the doorsteps and Northumberland even closer so I'll be biding this side for the foreseeable (which I very much regret)

...but several of my social circle are, which was my point. I do not doubt morons exist which is why I said I was saddened that it does. Racism exists in every country, sadly, I have witnessed it first hand, just not anglophobia. Have a great evening man.

Edit, don't be put off man, you will be missing a lot. Go do the NC500, the people on that route need tourists and in my experience are incredibly hospitable and welcoming. The Lake District, beautiful as it is, has nothing on Scotlands west coast. Come to Dundee, I'll stand you a pint and let you meet real, friendly people!!

Edited by biggbn on Thursday 4th March 19:00

I’m an Englishman

In the early 80’s i spent time living and working in Northern Ireland and now live in the Republic

Ive been travelling back/forth to Ireland for my whole adult life pretty much

Only once have I suffered any form of abuse for being English and that was from a Middle Aged American tourist who decided to have a pop about my English accent and how dare I be in Ireland .. he was soon put right

Now I have a good number of Scottish friends living both in Scotland and Ireland/England. I also spend a lot of time in Scotland, particularly on road trips

I have been abused .. racially abused a number of times for being English not through anything I’ve done but purely because a person heard my accent.

On one occasion with a car group up in the north west highlands a local in a transit pulled across the road and blocked it, getting out with an iron bar

He started shouting, about the “fking English” and ranting “the highlands are the highlanders, Scotland is for the Scottish

Unfortunately for him, in the lead car was a Glaswegian and the second car two highlanders from Fort William one of whom had represented Scotland in martial arts at the Olympics !

I didn’t get involved .. but this idiot with an iron bar was faced off by the three other Scots and out firmly back in his box

I had my 9 year old son sitting in the open top car with me who heard it all

Not good at all,

I live in Ireland and I’ve never once felt self conscious about my accent nor that I should keep my mouth shut

But, in my own nation I have

That’s a pretty sad indictment really

[Quisling]

Roderick Spode said:

Hence why the SNP endlessly squeal for additional powers, yet when they are offered (e.g. welfare) refuse to take them. Their fanatics give them a free pass, and continue to blame Westminster. It's cult fanaticism, and beyond tiresome.

HEY DEADSLOW

care to tell us why Holyrood failed miserably in the broadband rollout?

You know where the SNP promised to give us broadband to all houses

[Evercross]

Quisling said:

A question to Deadslow or any other NAT brave enough to stick a head above the parapet

When we see blog posts like this from a leading light of the independence movement saying that the SNP are utterly corrupt

https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-foundat...

Why do you still support them?

When a certain regular poster in here came out and attacked that very blog-piece months ago when it was first linked to in a previous iteration of this thread, that was when I started suspecting we had not an indy supporter but specifically a Sturgeonite shill in our midst. At the time the above was published (August last year) the points mentioned in it barely registered on the public radar (it is a piece that only deep-seated Sturgeon/Murrel investees would take umbrage at) yet look at how prescient it has been.

I know biggbn scoffs at the suggestion that there might be 'plants' among us, but a shill does not have to be a paid individual in the servitude of a cause - just someone with a pre-existing self-interest hiding that interest and pretending to be an impartial observer.

Accept it or not, social media is one of the battlegrounds for political campaigning today (the recent SNP Twitterbots are overt testament to that) and each and every outlet that has an audience of even more than a few thousand is a target (constituency votes can be won or lost on the tick of just one ballot paper). PH has a significant enough following to justify someone from the inside taking an interest in what gets posted here and seeking to influence it.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 10:05

[Quisling]

Evercross said:

When a certain regular poster in here came out and attacked that very blog-piece months ago when it was first linked to in a previous iteration of this thread, that was when I started suspecting we had not an indy supporter but specifically a Sturgeonite shill in our midst. At the time the above was published (August last year) the points mentioned in it barely registered on the public radar (it is a piece that only deep-seated Sturgeon/Murrel investees would take umbrage at) yet look at how prescient it has been.

I know biggbn scoffs at the suggestion that there might be 'plants' among us, but a shill does not have to be a paid individual in the servitude of a cause - just someone with a pre-existing self-interest hiding that interest and pretending to be an impartial observer.

Accept it or not, social media is one of the battlegrounds for political campaigning today (the recent SNP Twitterbots are overt testament to that) and each and every outlet that has an audience of even more than a few thousand is a target (constituency votes can be won or lost on the tick of just one ballot paper). PH has a significant enough following to justify someone from the inside taking an interest in what gets posted here and seeking to influence it.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 10:05

Would this be the same poster who claimed that team facepaint was nothing todo with hating the english and he himself had bought a house in england so he could work there as the wages were better

While at the same time telling us that there would be no brain drain to england from the free workers republic of sturgeonovia for better wages

[deadslow]

Quisling said:

HEY DEADSLOW

care to tell us why Holyrood failed miserably in the broadband rollout?

You know where the SNP promised to give us broadband to all houses

oh dear, I seem to have acquired my own personal nutter/troll

[Quisling]

deadslow said:

Quisling said:

HEY DEADSLOW

care to tell us why Holyrood failed miserably in the broadband rollout?

You know where the SNP promised to give us broadband to all houses

oh dear, I seem to have acquired my own personal nutter/troll

Not answering then

I thought you were here to destroy the unionist lies

Which you will do by

doing what every other cybernat does

By religiously following the degree that one shall not answer a question

[roadtripboy]

The latest line seems to be that she's wonderful because she admits that she doesn't know something occasionally, thereby confirming herself to be human.

Not like all those other nasty politicians who pretend to know everything.

However if she was asked about statistics in England - especially those that appear on face value to be worse than those in Scotland - I'm sure she'd have them committed to memory.

Seems she's very selective in what she does and doesn't remember or know.

[steely dan]

Earthdweller said:

biggbn said:

Lotobear said:

...probably because you're not English I would guess?

I have unfortunately experienced it on more a number of occassions and I'm only 10 miles south of the border so almost a Scot!, it's got much worse in the last 10-15 years and one of the worst areas seems to be along the border. My experience of Galloway is particularly bad (I had a very unpleasant experience in the 'Criffel' in New Abbey a few years back as soon as our group spoke and our origin was revealed), less so when you get into the highlands though or at least that's what I've found.

I used to love going to Scotland on holiday to but to be frank right now I wouldn't do it, thankfully I have the Lakes on the doorsteps and Northumberland even closer so I'll be biding this side for the foreseeable (which I very much regret)

...but several of my social circle are, which was my point. I do not doubt morons exist which is why I said I was saddened that it does. Racism exists in every country, sadly, I have witnessed it first hand, just not anglophobia. Have a great evening man.

Edit, don't be put off man, you will be missing a lot. Go do the NC500, the people on that route need tourists and in my experience are incredibly hospitable and welcoming. The Lake District, beautiful as it is, has nothing on Scotlands west coast. Come to Dundee, I'll stand you a pint and let you meet real, friendly people!!

Edited by biggbn on Thursday 4th March 19:00

I’m an Englishman

In the early 80’s i spent time living and working in Northern Ireland and now live in the Republic

Ive been travelling back/forth to Ireland for my whole adult life pretty much

Only once have I suffered any form of abuse for being English and that was from a Middle Aged American tourist who decided to have a pop about my English accent and how dare I be in Ireland .. he was soon put right

Now I have a good number of Scottish friends living both in Scotland and Ireland/England. I also spend a lot of time in Scotland, particularly on road trips

I have been abused .. racially abused a number of times for being English not through anything I’ve done but purely because a person heard my accent.

On one occasion with a car group up in the north west highlands a local in a transit pulled across the road and blocked it, getting out with an iron bar

He started shouting, about the “fking English” and ranting “the highlands are the highlanders, Scotland is for the Scottish

Unfortunately for him, in the lead car was a Glaswegian and the second car two highlanders from Fort William one of whom had represented Scotland in martial arts at the Olympics !

I didn’t get involved .. but this idiot with an iron bar was faced off by the three other Scots and out firmly back in his box

I had my 9 year old son sitting in the open top car with me who heard it all

Not good at all,

I live in Ireland and I’ve never once felt self conscious about my accent nor that I should keep my mouth shut

But, in my own nation I have

That’s a pretty sad indictment really

See my post yesterday at 19.56.
I find incidents as this exrtremely disturbing and beyond sad . I also feel ashamed .
It's not just a very few cretins displaying this type of behaviour it seems to be apporopriate and increasingly acceptable to a significant number of Scots .
I find it ironic that the SNP are hell bent on introducing a Hate Crime bill but actively encourage this type of vile action due to them purveying Anglophobia at every opportunity .

[Pastor Of Muppets]

It was one of the two.....

Effie said...

"Sturgeon’s Government either unjustly went after an innocent man, or she wanted a sexual predator to be the leader of an independent Scotland. Either way she can no longer evade responsibility by claiming implausibly that she knows nothing".

https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/03/did-sturgeon-wa...

[Shambler]

Quisling said:

A question to Deadslow or any other NAT brave enough to stick a head above the parapet

When we see blog posts like this from a leading light of the independence movement saying that the SNP are utterly corrupt

https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-foundat...

Why do you still support them?

Surely if the very most important thing in life is to DESTROY THE UNION

Then wouldn't it be easier if there was a independence party who weren't blatantly corrupt?

As then they might attract labour voters or even us subhuman tory voters

or is this like football

You passionately support celtic/SNP because it is part of your character and it is nothing todo with making scotland a better place?


PS i don't expect a sensible answer

Who cares about the after effects of independence, we will be our own nation again.

Yes we will be poor but who says that being rich makes you happy.

I look forward to a society that punishes the middle classes and any person who wishes to better themselves.

I don’t care what mistakes the SNP have made because the Torys are scum.

I don’t care if we have to watch what we say around the dinner table as long as the minorities are protected.

Currency is just an excuse, because we can use the pound until we set up our own currency.

We will be the greenest country in Europe but still make plenty of money from the oil industry.

Education is not important especially when you look at the damage intelligent people do to the UK.

I am happy to live on benefits adopt alcoholism and die happy knowing that my drug habit is the best in Europe.

I am delighted that my leader in Westminster is one of the finest politicians to have graced Westminster.

I am full of love for my strong, fearless and trustworthy first minister who is the epitome of professionalism.

Most of all I can wander round the highlands in my kilt with my face painted blue and any Englishman who crosses my path will be put to the sword.

I am Scotland, I am SNP.

[Evercross]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

It was one of the two.....

Effie said...

"Sturgeon’s Government either unjustly went after an innocent man, or she wanted a sexual predator to be the leader of an independent Scotland. Either way she can no longer evade responsibility by claiming implausibly that she knows nothing".

https://www.effiedeans.com/2021/03/did-sturgeon-wa...

The untrustworthy Sturgeon tried to cover that when she said she had become 'inured to his behaviour'. Again trying to straddle two camps - being aware of it but not responsible for doing anything about it because she progressively became less aware of it.

Peak Sturgeon really has passed. The point has been made this week by others that while Salmond had the ability to appeal to 'soft Yessers' Sturgeon has instead overindulged the core vote (using thinly-veiled hate speech against 'The Tories' and England). Covid was happenstance and her recent 'popularity' more a matter of luck and opportunism than design.

As I said previously though - she now has a target on her back and the factions within the SNP and the broader independence movement are now clearly defined. I predict that even if the SNP form the next Scottish Government she will not see out the term of the parliament and the end of her time as FM will not be on her terms, meaning that SNP voters should consider the very real prospect that in May they might think they vote for Sturgeon, but eventually end up getting Robertson.

Not for the first time Scotland gets an unelected SNP First Minster!

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 11:26

[steely dan]

On Wednesday after her reference , on more than one occasion , to the "Edinburgh Airport Incident " I took time to try and establish what actually happened that warranted an apology of such magnitude and importance according to her testimony .
Killer Heels .....

[Earthdweller]

steely dan said:

See my post yesterday at 19.56.
I find incidents as this exrtremely disturbing and beyond sad . I also feel ashamed .
It's not just a very few cretins displaying this type of behaviour it seems to be apporopriate and increasingly acceptable to a significant number of Scots .
I find it ironic that the SNP are hell bent on introducing a Hate Crime bill but actively encourage this type of vile action due to them purveying Anglophobia at every opportunity .

Yes, I’ve just read it thanks

I used the term idiot earlier . That was actually wrong, I should have said racist

There is sadly a toxic minority in Scotland who are excused and and their toxicity is laughed off as banter

It isn’t banter ... it is racism, simple as that

If someone was picked out because of their skin colour, religion or sexuality it would, righty, not be tolerated nor excused as banter by the majority who excuse the racists

Lord Macpherson branded the Police as institutionally racist, the same arguments could be made against the Scottish

Scotland is a beautiful country with a massive majority of very decent, friendly and normal people ... but THEY must stop excusing the behaviour of the minority who taint the whole country

[Pastor Of Muppets]

And yet again she lies in public live on air...

Aside from the utter BS lie she is telling, isn't that voice just the most awful sound, I seriously find her
hard to tolerate even for the duration of the lie.

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1367793...

[Evercross]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

And yet again she lies in public live on air...

Aside from the utter BS lie she is telling, isn't that voice just the most awful sound, I seriously find her
hard to tolerate even for the duration of the lie.

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1367793...

The Nicola Sturgeon alternative reality field...

• where people acquitted in a court of law are still guilty
• where events that a jury were not convinced ever happened still took place
• where her recollection of events is the truth even when documentary/video evidence proves otherwise

Sturgeon is drunk on her own manipulation, invested so heavily in her own delusion. A true sociopath!

It is quite telling how her opponents now just calmly sit back and let her rant - not through defeat but from the realisation she does more damage to herself when they do. There is no reasoning with someone who denies fact and evidence, and when confronted with it pretends not to have noticed.

I think it is time for a new thread - the next leader of the SNP?

Edited by Evercross on Friday 5th March 11:49

[Quisling]

contango said:

I have suggested this before, sturgeon should make plans for the next leader.

The shortlist should be a minimum of, trans, bame with some form of disability (other than tourettes).

This would truly reflect scotland in the 21st century, as well as being a beautiful thing to behold?

Hamza useless i think is being lined up

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Willie Rennie asking her why they are concealing the education report that shows
how much of a shambles the SNP have made of Scottish education, one of the most important issues
Scotland has, the education of our children, and look at the response from her, absolutely abysmal, eyes
rolling looking at the ceiling, 2 weeks ago the parliament voted for the report to be published, what have
they done?...bumped it as usual.

Her arrogance is utterly disgusting, a disgrace to Scotland.

https://twitter.com/Janela_X/status/13675382793027...