Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Pastor Of Muppets]

irc said:

Little known fact. The SNP already have the power under devolution to borrow by issuing Scottish bonds. The UK would not have any liability. They have not used this power. Why? A cynic might suggest it is because it would shine a light of on the cost of borrowing for an independent Scotland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-real-reaso...

Nauseating Nicky loves to use the term 'lets be clear on this', but the reality of the situation is that anything
that elicits transparency within their dictatorial cult must be avoided.

I long ago decided that every time she says 'lets be very clear on this' that she is actually meaning
'Lets be very opaque on this' , and that is very clearly a fact.

[biggbn]

Mrr T said:

biggbn said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

biggbn said:

Shows how dim I can be, I didn't know you could tell where a car was from by its registration. I have never heard that before, unbelievable!!

Come on now man, a PH'er that doesn't know reg plates are regionally indentifiable, tut tut.
https://www.newreg.co.uk/dvla-number-plate-identif...


I think he might have been talking about plates with the flag on them, SCO / ENG / GB / UK.

I hang my head in shame!!

This only relates to first registration. Car have a habit of moving areas when they are sold. Lease cars can be registered a long way from where they are used.

Perhaps the angry man just hated cars which had once been in England. Hard to see this could be used to identify the country of the driver.

I wondered, and wondered why the English registered cars were filled with Scottish martial arts champion etc, but, I make a rule of taking people at 'virtual face' value on the internet, so if the guy says his convoy was stopped by a weapon welding lone lunatic in a transit who was in a very small minority who recognise where a car is from by its number plate, then that's what happened.

As harrowing as that must have been, the fact it merits mention indicates this kind of thing is a very rare occurrence and I do hope the poster was not put off Scotland by the loony in the van, particularly not put off the NC500 which I found welcoming to all people on the two occasions we have 'done' it. We are not, collectively, like that, although I'm sure some individuals are. I was once called a 'scotch (sic) c**t' by a Geordie but, although he was half right, I don't think all Geordies or all English people are anti Scottish, why would I, it would be a ridiculous premise.

Edit. I may have told that story before but that's because it illustrates the point I am making, and because it is true

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 6th March 11:27

[Earthdweller]

biggbn said:

I wondered, and wondered why the English registered cars were filled with Scottish martial arts champion etc, but, I make a rule of taking people at 'virtual face' value on the internet, so if the guy says his convoy was stopped by a weapon welding lone lunatic in a transit who was in a very small minority who recognise where a car is from by its number plate, then that's what happened.

As harrowing as that must have been, the fact it merits mention indicates this kind of thing is a very rare occurrence and I do hope the poster was not put off Scotland by the loony in the van, particularly not put off the NC500 which I found welcoming to all people on the two occasions we have 'done' it. We are not, collectively, like that, although I'm sure some individuals are. I was once called a 'scotch (sic) c**t' by a Geordie but, although he was half right, I don't think all Geordies or all English people are anti Scottish, why would I, it would be a ridiculous premise.

Edit. I may have told that story before but that's because it illustrates the point I am making, and because it is true

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 6th March 11:27

Feel free to mock

But, there were other regular posters on here that were present

There is a significant minority that oppose the NC500 and don’t like the tourists ... locals generally don’t drive in a convoy of 15 identical cars hence probably his opening gambit of “the highlands is for the highlanders”

Go read some of the comments on the NC500 Facebook groups

That we met Scotland’s equivalent of the man from Royston Vasey is what it is


I love Scotland and the Scots and spend a lot of time there .. but it has its share of bellends

[biggbn]

Earthdweller said:

biggbn said:

I wondered, and wondered why the English registered cars were filled with Scottish martial arts champion etc, but, I make a rule of taking people at 'virtual face' value on the internet, so if the guy says his convoy was stopped by a weapon welding lone lunatic in a transit who was in a very small minority who recognise where a car is from by its number plate, then that's what happened.

As harrowing as that must have been, the fact it merits mention indicates this kind of thing is a very rare occurrence and I do hope the poster was not put off Scotland by the loony in the van, particularly not put off the NC500 which I found welcoming to all people on the two occasions we have 'done' it. We are not, collectively, like that, although I'm sure some individuals are. I was once called a 'scotch (sic) c**t' by a Geordie but, although he was half right, I don't think all Geordies or all English people are anti Scottish, why would I, it would be a ridiculous premise.

Edit. I may have told that story before but that's because it illustrates the point I am making, and because it is true

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 6th March 11:27

Feel free to mock

But, there were other regular posters on here that were present

There is a significant minority that oppose the NC500 and don’t like the tourists ... locals generally don’t drive in a convoy of 15 identical cars hence probably his opening gambit of “the highlands is for the highlanders”

Go read some of the comments on the NC500 Facebook groups

That we met Scotland’s equivalent of the man from Royston Vasey is what it is


I love Scotland and the Scots and spend a lot of time there .. but it has its share of bellends

Sorry man, I did not mean to sound mocking, I take your story at face value, I was merely showing how strange it sounds. I do not know you so have no reason to disbelieve you, I like to think I am one of the more positive posters on this forum, apologies if my post came over the wrong way, I write them rather quickly and should perhaps take more time to explore how they might be read.

As for your point point re 'bellends', I agree 100%, and I have met more than my fair share of them over the years, usually when they are full of drink and powder. Sadly, these people are a fact of life in any country and I do not believe our country is over represented in any way!!

Glad to hear you have not been put off, have a great weekend man, peace, gbn

[Quisling]

deadslow said:

we already do, but the ruling class don't like it because it prevents them from exercising their entitlement to govern.

After we smash the union

What will the SNP do to correct the 300 years of english slavery

[Earthdweller]

biggbn said:

Sorry man, I did not mean to sound mocking, I take your story at face value, I was merely showing how strange it sounds. I do not know you so have no reason to disbelieve you, I like to think I am one of the more positive posters on this forum, apologies if my post came over the wrong way, I write them rather quickly and should perhaps take more time to explore how they might be read.

As for your point point re 'bellends', I agree 100%, and I have met more than my fair share of them over the years, usually when they are full of drink and powder. Sadly, these people are a fact of life in any country and I do not believe our country is over represented in any way!!

Glad to hear you have not been put off, have a great weekend man, peace, gbn

For roads like this .. who wouldn’t go and enjoy

[biggbn]

Earthdweller said:

biggbn said:

Sorry man, I did not mean to sound mocking, I take your story at face value, I was merely showing how strange it sounds. I do not know you so have no reason to disbelieve you, I like to think I am one of the more positive posters on this forum, apologies if my post came over the wrong way, I write them rather quickly and should perhaps take more time to explore how they might be read.

As for your point point re 'bellends', I agree 100%, and I have met more than my fair share of them over the years, usually when they are full of drink and powder. Sadly, these people are a fact of life in any country and I do not believe our country is over represented in any way!!

Glad to hear you have not been put off, have a great weekend man, peace, gbn

For roads like this .. who wouldn’t go and enjoy

[roadtripboy]

Remember FACTS.

Because Chief Mammy doesn’t.

[snowandrocks]

I think the local probably took more exception to the 15 car convoy than the number plates. I've just been for a walk through the nearest village here in Aberdeenshire and getting on for 50% of the local cars have "English" plates.

[Evercross]

roadtripboy said:

Remember FACTS.

Because Chief Mammy doesn’t.

[renmure]

Greedydog said:

Wings does have an amusing turn of phrase at times:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/plough-on-regardless...

I really like the Wings site.

I first heard of it in relation to the legal action Kesia Dugdale had with it a year or so ago and, because I probably agreed with her interpenetration of the online content, I had assumed it was a typical nutty blog site full of loons and rabid Nats. It was only following a link from PH a few months ago that I've been a regular reader.

As a "soft" Unionist I might be a bit biased I suppose since it's actually fairly critical of the current SNP leadership and plays to my own view. I also concede that some of the comments are a bit OTT but I think the actual blog itself is really informative and well written with lots of good analysis of the machinations within the SNP.

[hidetheelephants]

renmure said:

Greedydog said:

Wings does have an amusing turn of phrase at times:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/plough-on-regardless...

I really like the Wings site.

I first heard of it in relation to the legal action Kesia Dugdale had with it a year or so ago and, because I probably agreed with her interpenetration of the online content, I had assumed it was a typical nutty blog site full of loons and rabid Nats. It was only following a link from PH a few months ago that I've been a regular reader.

As a "soft" Unionist I might be a bit biased I suppose since it's actually fairly critical of the current SNP leadership and plays to my own view. I also concede that some of the comments are a bit OTT but I think the actual blog itself is really informative and well written with lots of good analysis of the machinations within the SNP.

A bit? The comments are well leavened with conspiraloons who think the SNP have been penetrated by MI5/MI6/Prince Philip/the masons/the boy scouts/wokerati/which ever faction they don't like, and it's an evil yoon plot to prevent the righteous obtaining their FREEEDUM! I'd agree with the blog being a good read sometimes, especially the guest writers.

[Cold]

New referendum poll suggests most Scots would back remaining in UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/mo...

[anonymous-user]

Cold said:

New referendum poll suggests most Scots would back remaining in UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/mo...

I know you're just quoting the headline, but 46% of Scots isn't 'most' of them. 46% no, 43% yes, 11% undecided.

Considering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.

[sherman]

MrMan001 said:

Cold said:

New referendum poll suggests most Scots would back remaining in UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/mo...

I know you're just quoting the headline, but 46% of Scots isn't 'most' of them. 46% no, 43% yes, 11% undecided.

Considering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.

Its the next paragraph of the article

The Guardian said:

However, when unsure voters are excluded, the poll by Savanta ComRes for the Scotland on Sunday newspaper indicates 52% to 48% in favour of the union.

The Salmond-Sturgeon thing has no decision yet so she may still kerp her job and it all get swept under the carpet.

[Quisling]

MrMan001 said:

I know you're just quoting the headline, but 46% of Scots isn't 'most' of them. 46% no, 43% yes, 11% undecided.

Considering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.

You know that record 58% that supported the YES vote

Got the figures for that for undecided?

I'll save you the trouble

52% = YES
38% = NO
10% = undecided

And that is without anyone actually pointing out that team facepaint are full of st with the vote YES and we are in the EU the following morning

As i will be perfectly honest

If i KNEW that voting to leave the UK would result in me waking up the following morning as full members of the EU and the EURO

I'd happily vote YES

As it would be easier trade with our neighbours and it would keep the loony SNP in check

Edited by Quisling on Sunday 7th March 06:52

[Pooh]

Quisling said:

As it would be easier trade with our neighbours

Edited by Quisling on Sunday 7th March 06:52

Given that our biggest export market is the rest of the UK, followed by the US and then the EU at approximately one third of the UK figure, I fail to see how being in the EU and the Euro would be anything other than bad from an export perspective.

[hiccy18]

Pooh said:

Given that our biggest export market is the rest of the UK, followed by the US and then the EU at approximately one third of the UK figure, I fail to see how being in the EU and the Euro would be anything other than bad from an export perspective.

Granted but there is more to EU membership than trade: workers rights and freedom of movement to mention just two.

Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.

About 25 years?

[is-uk]

Column in the The Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/06/lefts-...

A couple of stand out points in it -

On Sturgeon giving evidence to the Committe -

"And Nicola Sturgeon, though rattled, remains a brilliant communicator. The gruelling eight-hour testimony which has apparently secured her political survival, at least for now, showcased her usual fast-talking combination of deflection and self-assured verbal diarrhoea."

On the left centric media's portrayal of the SNP -

"While the Left-wing commentariat delighted in tearing apart the more Panglossian claims of Brexiteers, rarely did they examine the SNP’s romantic vision of independence, featuring every imaginable benefit and no responsibility whatsoever for funding it. The Nats were instead allowed to fall back on their two-pronged knee-jerk defence; any Westminster failure was an argument for independence; every Holyrood failure the result of too little independence."

[Quisling]

hiccy18 said:

Granted but there is more to EU membership than trade: workers rights and freedom of movement to mention just two.

Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.

About 25 years?

So not the instant EU membership the SNP pretend

Can you correct me on this mr Deadslow

Or just some abuse and fluster?