Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10
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When will these people get it in to their thick skulls that the EU will not let an iS in. Spain will veto it as a precedent will be set therefore destabilising them. That’s before you start drilling into other stuff.
Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
StescoG66 said:
When will these people get it in to their thick skulls that the EU will not let an iS in. Spain will veto it as a precedent will be set therefore destabilising them. That’s before you start drilling into other stuff.
Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
Time this was rolled out againBesides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
StescoG66 said:
When will these people get it in to their thick skulls that the EU will not let an iS in. Spain will veto it as a precedent will be set therefore destabilising them. That’s before you start drilling into other stuff.
Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
It is testament to how daft some SNP supporters are and how devious others are.Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
Sturgeon being the poor, hotheaded tactical thinker that she is (another reason why she has to revise her memory constantly and exercise permanent cognitive dissonance) latched onto the Brexit result in 2016 thinking that a 'majority' Scottish based vote to remain could be transferred easily and instantly into a majority for independence, totally misreading the concept. I could have told Nicoliar back then that when you have people like Ruth Davidson voting to remain and people like Jim Sillars voting to leave her tactic was never going to work, but in the Venn diagram of indy supporters a fair few but not all also voted to remain, so I suppose it cements that vote - they are the daft ones.
The devious ones are the ones that know EU membership will not be a simple matter of accession, but lie about it to try and bring over the the rest of the remainers - a busted flush because the further down the line the UK travels outside the EU without the sky collapsing the more the scare-mongering SNP remainers (like Liar Blackford) lose that argument.
StescoG66 said:
When will these people get it in to their thick skulls that the EU will not let an iS in. Spain will veto it as a precedent will be set therefore destabilising them. That’s before you start drilling into other stuff.
Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
If I recall correctly, 1/3 of SNP voters voted for the UK to leave the EU.Besides why would they want to - it’s not really independence as such is it?
Like the poster a while back - i am not against the idea of independence, far from it. I think it could work, long term, but quite frankly there is nobody in the wings with the nous to make it work. This shower of conniving s
te would do well to work on proving their point first - prove to us by good governance that it is feasible. Then push for it.... seems too simple doesn’t it.......
As I alluded to before, this shower fooled me once. I admit that, and am not proud of it. They will not fool me again - Ever........
te would do well to work on proving their point first - prove to us by good governance that it is feasible. Then push for it.... seems too simple doesn’t it.......As I alluded to before, this shower fooled me once. I admit that, and am not proud of it. They will not fool me again - Ever........
simoid said:
If I recall correctly, 1/3 of SNP voters voted for the UK to leave the EU.
Indeed, and more people in Scotland voted to leave the EU in 2016 (1,018,322) than voted for the SNP in the subsequent 2017 General Election (977,568), proving what a massive tactical mistake it was.Normally I wouldn't use it to wipe my bum for fear of infection, but interested to note the tone in a couple of articles in the Daily Record today:
Firstly on the judicial review: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/k...
The SNP are attempting to ride into the next election with Nicola at their head, achieve the largest minority thanks to the yellow flag waving blue faced sheeple and use that as vindication of their collective actions; the people of Scotland are knowingly voting in a despotic regime.
Firstly on the judicial review: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/k...
Jackie Baillie said:
It’s becoming all too clear that the Permanent Secretary catastrophically failed to conduct herself in the proper manner, and that her failures directly led to the women involved being cruelly let down and the taxpayer being landed with a bill of more than £500,000.
And secondly on Lord Wolffe: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...A source said: said:
It’s well known within the service that he wants to go in May. He will say it’s always been the plan but the last few months have been pretty bruising.
So the career civil servant (with marital links to the SNP) and the legal professional who assisted the sitting government are to take the heat for the governments misconduct, but where are the politicians with heads on the block for their part?The SNP are attempting to ride into the next election with Nicola at their head, achieve the largest minority thanks to the yellow flag waving blue faced sheeple and use that as vindication of their collective actions; the people of Scotland are knowingly voting in a despotic regime.
Entirely what you would imagine....
WoS Pete said....
"About twenty odd years ago I bought a new build house on a small development of about eight houses. About six months later I get a bill from the builder for £200 for water connection. the solicitor who handled my sale was on holiday so when I got to the office it was Sturgeon I saw.
She sat at her desk with a scowl and never smiled once. I explained the situation and said that i would not pay this demand as surely it must have been covered by the solicitors at the exchange of contracts. You would have thought she had swallowed a wasp. When she spoke it was with a patronising nastiness, ` didn’t you check the paperwork` was her reply. Suffice to say you can imagine my reaction.
I recounted this many times to people long before Sturgeon became prominent and it is no surprise that she is what she is today. She definitely has a problem".
WoS Pete said....
"About twenty odd years ago I bought a new build house on a small development of about eight houses. About six months later I get a bill from the builder for £200 for water connection. the solicitor who handled my sale was on holiday so when I got to the office it was Sturgeon I saw.
She sat at her desk with a scowl and never smiled once. I explained the situation and said that i would not pay this demand as surely it must have been covered by the solicitors at the exchange of contracts. You would have thought she had swallowed a wasp. When she spoke it was with a patronising nastiness, ` didn’t you check the paperwork` was her reply. Suffice to say you can imagine my reaction.
I recounted this many times to people long before Sturgeon became prominent and it is no surprise that she is what she is today. She definitely has a problem".
hiccy18 said:
The SNP are attempting to ride into the next election with Nicola at their head, achieve the largest minority thanks to the yellow flag waving blue faced sheeple and use that as vindication of their collective actions.
Without a doubt! But as I said already - Sturgeon now has a target on her back. Every politician has skeletons and it is only expediency that prevents them being exposed, but too many people (not just journalists or 'the opposition' but her own party executives) believe that she has crossed a line.The evidence of her at-best mismanagement and at-worst corruption is now out there, and just like with the failed Alex Salmond probe, it was only a failure of process that gave us the outcome that she is still in office.
It is now a race to the election to ensure that as much of her confected 'popularity surge' can be preserved, but Nicola now has far fewer days in front of her as FM than she has behind her regardless of the election outcome.
So, not so much voting for a despotic leader but, as I said, voting for Chief Mammy and getting Progress Robertson.
Edited by Evercross on Sunday 7th March 10:58
hiccy18 said:
Granted but there is more to EU membership than trade: workers rights and freedom of movement to mention just two.
Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.
About 25 years?
Why is the indie movement so unable to understand the need for creative but practical plans?Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.
About 25 years?
Indie clearly have a desire to join the EU. While a IS would meet all the relevant tests the process even if fast tracked would take many years. The more logical plan would be to immediately apply for EEA membership. It's a much simpler process and would give IS all the benefits of EU membership with out some of the disadvantages.
Mrr T said:
hiccy18 said:
Granted but there is more to EU membership than trade: workers rights and freedom of movement to mention just two.
Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.
About 25 years?
Why is the indie movement so unable to understand the need for creative but practical plans?Insta-EU membership would be very useful as, although having a hard border at Gretna would be hateful, our trade agreement with the UK would already have been negotiated. However we all know it's pie in the sky: we would need to complete negotiations with the UK, transition to independence, muddle something together with currency, stabilize our situation and then at some undetermined point in the future, if we still want to, if it still exists (probably), become an Applicant to join the EU which if all things from that point onwards go spiffingly well (they wont) will take at least another decade before we have EU membership. And then we can transition to the Euro.
About 25 years?
Indie clearly have a desire to join the EU. While a IS would meet all the relevant tests the process even if fast tracked would take many years. The more logical plan would be to immediately apply for EEA membership. It's a much simpler process and would give IS all the benefits of EU membership with out some of the disadvantages.
Southern Ireland left the U.K.
The Independence Party split and a vicious civil war erupted with the head of one faction being assinated.
More people died in the civil was AFTER independence than in the rising to get it !
There followed decades of poverty and mass emigration which lasted right up to the 1980’s
It’s only in recent times as we approach the centenary of independence that the country is prosperous
( note I deliberately didn’t mention NI )
The point being it won’t be as simple as some say it will
Quisling said:
MrMan001 said:
I know you're just quoting the headline, but 46% of Scots isn't 'most' of them. 46% no, 43% yes, 11% undecided.
Considering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.
You know that record 58% that supported the YES voteConsidering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.
Got the figures for that for undecided?
I'll save you the trouble
52% = YES
38% = NO
10% = undecided
And that is without anyone actually pointing out that team facepaint are full of s
t with the vote YES and we are in the EU the following morning As i will be perfectly honest
If i KNEW that voting to leave the UK would result in me waking up the following morning as full members of the EU and the EURO
I'd happily vote YES
As it would be easier trade with our neighbours and it would keep the loony SNP in check
Edited by Quisling on Sunday 7th March 06:52
With tariffs and a hard border between England and Scotland, how will it make it easier to trade with your neighbours....?
Evercross said:
Without a doubt! But as I said already - Sturgeon now has a target on her back. Every politician has skeletons and it is only expediency that prevents them being exposed, but too many people (not just journalists or 'the opposition' but her own party executives) believe that she has crossed a line.
The evidence of her at-best mismanagement and at-worst corruption is now out there, and just like with the failed Alex Salmond probe, it was only a failure of process that gave us the outcome that she is still in office.
It is now a race to the election to ensure that as much of her confected 'popularity surge' can be preserved, but Nicola now has far fewer days in front of her as FM than she has behind her regardless of the election outcome.
So, not so much voting for a despotic leader but, as I said, voting for Chief Mammy and getting Progress Robertson.
Yes but it's still a despotic regime regardless of the figurehead; the actions that have been uncovered have been perpetrated by senior members of the current government, their senior office staff, SPADs and senior members of their party. Re-election will make their behavious worse, not better.The evidence of her at-best mismanagement and at-worst corruption is now out there, and just like with the failed Alex Salmond probe, it was only a failure of process that gave us the outcome that she is still in office.
It is now a race to the election to ensure that as much of her confected 'popularity surge' can be preserved, but Nicola now has far fewer days in front of her as FM than she has behind her regardless of the election outcome.
So, not so much voting for a despotic leader but, as I said, voting for Chief Mammy and getting Progress Robertson.
This must be a rather distressing piece on Wings today for those SNats who are not so blinkered,
"It’s now clear that the fall in independence/SNP support is a trend"
This one is well worth a read with a selection of some eye opening new polls, not looking good
for the SNP now, and yet more revelations to come.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/blood-in-the-water/
"It’s now clear that the fall in independence/SNP support is a trend"
This one is well worth a read with a selection of some eye opening new polls, not looking good
for the SNP now, and yet more revelations to come.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/blood-in-the-water/
Pastor Of Muppets said:
This must be a rather distressing piece on Wings today for those SNats who are not so blinkered,
"It’s now clear that the fall in independence/SNP support is a trend"
This one is well worth a read with a selection of some eye opening new polls, not looking good
for the SNP now, and yet more revelations to come.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/blood-in-the-water/
I quite enjoyed reading that article, one piece that stood out for me:"It’s now clear that the fall in independence/SNP support is a trend"
This one is well worth a read with a selection of some eye opening new polls, not looking good
for the SNP now, and yet more revelations to come.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/blood-in-the-water/
Article said:
What the inquiries have revealed is a much much deeper malaise in Scottish society – a shambolic, toxic mix of malice, incompetence and corruption, for which nobody will admit responsibility and nobody has been held accountable.
The results of both inquiries must require someone in government to fall on their sword; Sturgeon should go.MrMan001 said:
Cold said:
New referendum poll suggests most Scots would back remaining in UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/mo...
I know you're just quoting the headline, but 46% of Scots isn't 'most' of them. 46% no, 43% yes, 11% undecided.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/mo...
Considering this is right off the back of the Sturgeon/Salmond thing, it's possibly not a terrific result for the union. I'm keen to see the turnout-adjusted version as well.
CambsBill said:
You do know that the SNP routinely claim a majority in favour of independence using exactly the same methodology don't you?
Any NATS bright enough to see why the peak of supporting leave the UNION being driven by the fall out ofLeaving the european UNION might not be the good news they think it is?
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